The Greensboro City Council, at it Tuesday, Jan. 19 meeting, passed a new nondiscrimination ordinance that includes prohibiting discrimination based on “sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression.”
The vote was unanimous at the end of a long, loud, heated, emotional and accusatory discussion in which City Councilmember Justin Outling took on all comers and won.
There was never any doubt that the City Council would pass this secret ordinance that was listed on the agenda only as “Ordinance Amendment,” and the actual ordinance was only made available to the public a couple of hours before the meeting. The City Council received the ordinance on Saturday, Jan. 16, which was one of the sticking points that Outling repeatedly mentioned.
Outling began by saying that he completely supported a nondiscrimination ordinance but noted that the councilmembers had zero business days to review and get questions answered about the ordinance, and the public had almost no time.
He also said that the ordinance as written was all “symbolic and not substantive” because there were no penalties for violating the ordinance. Outling recommended the City Council hold a work session on the ordinance to close loopholes, get public input and add penalties. No one else spoke in favor of holding a work session on the ordinance.
There was a lot of discussion about whether the ordinance included penalties. Mayor Nancy Vaughan said that a complaint would go to the Human Rights Commission to be handled.
But Outling noted that a person accused of violating the ordinance could not be forced to go through the process and the only action that the Human Rights Commission could take was to write a letter.
Vaughan said that people could be taken to court.
But City Attorney Chuck Watts agreed that there were no penalties for violating the ordinance because the legal department wasn’t told to include penalties.
Councilmember Michelle Kennedy and Vaughan both talked repeatedly about how long they had been working on the ordinance and how offended they were that Outling would come up with changes at the last minute.
Outling countered that by saying that is why the City Council holds work sessions and that he could not offer amendments to an ordinance that had not been written.
Apparently, the work on this ordinance was all done behind closed doors with no formal public input and without input from at least one councilmember, Outling.
Outling said, “Public participation means public participation on what the council votes on before the council votes on it.”
After much heated debate, Kennedy challenged Outling to go ahead and add penalties and Outling offered a friendly amendment to the ordinance to set the fine at $200.
Kennedy said, “I’m certainly in favor of the harshest penalties available. But I worried that we don’t have the power to enforce them.”
Outling noted that Durham, Chapel Hill and Carrboro had all passed similar ordinances with $500 fines as the penalty.
And that seemed to be the winning point. Kennedy, who had made the motion said that she would accept Outling’s friendly amendment to add $500 fines for violations of the ordinance.
Then there was a lot of discussion about how much the North Carolina legislature hates Greensboro and the fear was expressed by Vaughan and several councilmembers that the legislature would take away Greensboro’s authority to implement the ordinance.
In the end, the ordinance with the friendly amendment from Outling to add $500 fines for violation of the ordinance passed unanimously, although Councilmember Goldie Wells said she still thought they should wait and have more discussion on the penalties.
Mandate Mayor and council member write and develop ordinance and present it to public only hours before a vote? Rule by decree. Who needs the public to have a voice or even knowledge of what our elected officials are voting on?
Just another episode of “The Twilight Zone.”
The city council is a useless bunch of idiots. Outling is the only one with slick of sense!
Yet another attack on the First Amendment. If you don’t like what I say, well just don’t associate with me; your option, too.
Exactly! I don’t sugar coat things anymore and don’t worry about the snowflakes that might get “offended.” I told a co-worker just the other day that we can’t even say “good morning” nowadays without offending some weirdo.
This council needs a complete rework at the next election!
Thanks to all the Democrats for what they have done to NC and America,by voting in all these ding-along Democrats.I wish they had taken the week off of November 3rd 2020.Then we wouldn’t have Joe or Herr Coop and some on the city council.While Joe was campaigning and at the inauguration he said he wanted to come together and he would be prez to all.Well he forgot to send the memo to the other Dems.They have gone CRAZY with wanting to DO-IN all concervatives and make a list and continue to harass them all.They have all lost their minds. .Just wait 2 years and the conservatives will eat there lunch .There will be House and Senate taken over by them . In 4 years a Republican will be President again.Joe will do such a sloppy job that even the Democrats will want him out.There is a possibility that Joe will not be president more than one or 2 years.He may not make it through the first year.He will be the biggest disappointment to the USA in history.Just think Carter was called the worst President in history till Obama came and knocked Carter to 3rd or 4th.Then along came Joe -He knocks both of them out by being The absolute worst of all time!!!!!!
What a BIDEN ” Malarkie Tour Bus Ride ” .
Outling should not be mayor-he should be Governor.
Thank the man above , I don’t live in that tax crazy town any more .
Working behind closed doors with no input from fellow council members or the public and then Ms. Kennedy becomes offended when someone actually makes sense?
Sounds like Ms. Kennedy was simply doing the leg work for Mandate Mayor Vaughan.
Thanks again to Justin Outling for making a silk purse out of a sows ear.
We all look forward to our next election.
I don’t think the Legislature hates Greensboro…they may hate this council and mayor, but not the city.
So,, now we are going down a very slippery slope. How is this going to be handled? Do I just say that I was discriminated against with no proof? Is it my word against the establishment? Is it a feeling? SMH
Seems like more statutes and codes with the color of law.
Can’t wait for the free stuff, legal drugs and homeless camps in the parks.
Oh yeah, and higher taxes too!
Welcome to the New Order!
No, welcome to Portland. If it were not for a family, we would leave the country. Somewhere where they have a country that they love. NZ, Ireland, Scotland, and Norway come to mind.
I am ashamed to be an (Ugly) American. I felt that way in 2016 when we were in Austria. Several locals asked us what was going on here. Some laughed at us.
The world is crazier than starting today especially starting today
It’s all about them! They no longer care what the citizens think. For Michelle Kennedy to make it all about her was absolutely the key to all of he others. It’s all about me! Never mind what anyone else thinks. The whole Council needs to be replaced. No more Vaughn, Kennedy, and for goodness sake get Hightower out of there. She wastes more time with questions she should have asked earlier……oh that’s right, Vaughan didn’t give members the information until just before the meeting so she had no time to review. Nancy and her girls have got to go.
What happens when high school transgender students start playing girls sports. I would bet that no thought was given to this occurrence. Be careful what you ask for, it might not work out like you reckoned.
I have read all comments on January 20 re the new “non discrimination” statute made behind closed doors. They are all pretty much spot on!
What exactly are they prohibiting as being discriminatory? Discrimination in housing/employment? Speech? Encouraging gender-bending teachers?
Rather than passing ordinances about boys who pretend to be girls and girls who pretend to be boys, could we just get them the mental health help that they need?
Being logical, rational and reasonable is no way to go through life, Son.
The whole “debate” sounded completely choreographed, even the controlled opposition by Outling. He played the same role during passage of the secret mask ordinance.