There’s been a lot of talk on social media lately claiming that Guilford County is planning to take money away from school bond funding to pay for new county buildings and a massive, consultant-recommended, countywide renovation and capital project.
If county staff and commissioners move forward with the project – or even major parts of it – the county will need to take on more debt. However, that debt would be on top of, rather than in place of, the more than $3 billion in school bond debt the county is already taking on to fund school projects.
Voters have approved $2 billion in school bond debt in recent years and, with interest, that puts the total payback at over $3 billion.
The confusion seems to stem from the county’s use of what are called “two-thirds bonds,” which were discussed earlier this year in a county work session and reported on in a recent Rhino Times article.
Consultants identified roughly $572 million in capital improvement needs that include everything from building repairs to possible new downtown government complexes in Greensboro and High Point.
However, on Facebook, Instagram, X and neighborhood-specific apps, some posters are claiming those projects will take money away from schools. That’s simply not the case: Two-thirds bonds won’t pull a single dollar from the more than $3 billion in school bond funding that voters approved.
You can think of it like this. Say you have a credit card and you’ve been approved to use it, but the entire limit – say $2,000 – can only be spent on school supplies. So, you go out and, just like you promised, you spend that $2,000 on school supplies. That never changes. That money is spent and it’s spent on its intended purpose.
However, after you start paying off that credit card, you still have a $2,000 limit. So if you pay off $300 one month, the next month you might have, say, $250 in available credit again.
Now, no one ever made a promise that that new available credit would go toward schools.
Likewise, state law allows local governments, after they pay down debt on voter-approved bonds, to borrow back up to two-thirds of the amount they paid off in the previous year without going back to the voters. It may not be how most people would run their household finances, but it is entirely legal – and it doesn’t affect at all the amount that county schools receive.
Schools get the full $2 billion.
Guilford County Deputy Manager Toy Beeninga said this week that school bond money is legally tied to the bond orders that voters approved and must legally be spent for that purpose. He said that funding can only be used for school projects – period.
“There’s no mechanism where we can take that money and shift it over to county buildings,” Beeninga said in a recent interview with the Rhino Times in an effort to address the misinformation being spread on social media.
So where is the confusion coming from?
It largely comes down to how two-thirds bonds work – and they are complex, not widely understood, and rarely discussed in detail.
Two-thirds bonds allow a county or other local government in North Carolina to borrow additional money without going back to voters, but only up to a limit based on how much existing debt the county has already paid down.
In essence, when the county pays down debt in a given year, it can then borrow back up to two-thirds of that amount the following year.
That means the school bonds and the county’s proposed capital plan can exist side by side as completely separate streams of borrowing. One does not reduce or redirect the other.
However, that doesn’t mean there aren’t real concerns about all this debt.
Because even though the county isn’t “taking” school money for these proposed projects, it is layering additional debt on top of an already massive amount of school-related borrowing.
County finances are under pressure after several years of increased spending.
County staff have made it clear that the roughly $572 million capital improvement plan presented earlier this year isn’t a final recommendation but a needs assessment compiled with the help of an outside consultant.
Staff have indicated to commissioners that fully funding that entire list would likely push the county beyond its own debt policy limits – though the board could choose to change those limits and do the full slate of projects anyway.
That’s why commissioners and staff are now in the middle of an ongoing debate over what should actually be included in the county’s final capital plan.
Some projects – like critical repairs to aging facilities, jail infrastructure and failing building systems – will almost certainly rise to the top.
Others – like the proposed “$2 million treehouse” at a county park – may not survive the final cut.
Given current financial constraints, it’s widely expected the board will have to scale the plan back before formally adopting it.

So, really “two-thirds bonds” is a way of keeping the county in debt up to its debt limit. If a household uses this debt limit ploy, they will never get out of debt because the interest on the debt will never allow it. That’s why so many of the households who practice this never-ending cycle play the lottery constantly believing the next time will be the charm. Problem is, with the county money, that money belongs to the taxpayer. It is so sad that the same commissioners get elected over and over.
well it’s better than pretending we arent in debt like those screw ups over in winston did..i still have no idea how they managed to displace 30 million dollars. dang libs
It wasn’t 30 million it was 46 million in less than 2 years
same thing
Really Mark, I personally think 46 million is a little more than 30 million. My question was and still is why haven’t the people who were supposed to be in charge lost their jobs yet.
i dont know but man is it messed up. one of many reasons im glad i do not reside in forsyth county
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I love this country, but I swear I can’t understand why it blows absolutely massive amounts of money on the worst education system in the advanced world.
India does better than us.
China too.
At a fraction of the cost.
It’s called “feathering your nest”. The local & federal governments are totally corrupt. No matter how much they extort from us, it is never enough. Look at what’s the latest in WA & VA. In CA, Newsom thinks he is prettier than JFK.
as lloyd bentsen famously said, “senator youre no jack kennedy” (although newscum is a governor in this case)
El primo insult. UUUUUUUUUUUgly.
China actually spends more per student than we do here in NC as a percentage of household income. Chinese families spend 17.1% of their annual income on education compared to just 1-2% for US households. So while China spends less public funds on students, they actually spend about the same if not more in total than US spending per pupil.
Once you toss in the dramatic difference in cost of living in China vs NC, the analysis changes even more to show China spends more per student that we do in NC.
Hope that helps.
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Or maybe the average Shanghai student is just smarter than the average Chicago student…
They are smarter. Because they work harder for it. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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No, you’re wrong on this, “Professor”. In my grammar school the brightest boys were placed in the A stream, and one lad worked his tail off to get in. Crabtree was a nice lad and we all empathized with him because he was always finishing near or at the bottom of our class, despite being such a sedulous student.
He hung on in 3A and 4A, but his parents asked for him to be returned to the regular classes at that point. There was nothing he could do to upgrade his innate intelligence because it is an impossible task.
We are born with the brain we are given. Some are lucky; some are not.
You have my commiserations.
Very study and every valid source says you are wrong. They further say people that spew your point of view do so from a racist bias. I bet that is why you don’t use your real name. Dno’t want everyone around you to know hat a racist person you are at your core.
But you be you.
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No, that’s not true and you must know it’s untrue – or else you are very ignorant and/or lying through your teeth. This is the perennial Nurture v. Nature argument that wages on among scientists and sociologists.
I believe that unintelligent people fail to create successful societies because they are unintelligent. It’s obvious, really. The average IQ in Sub-Saharan Africa is around 70, which is considered mentally retarded in the West. It explains the condition of Africa.
You believe that the conditions in Africa have caused people to be stupid. You have it completely ass backward, as usual.
So spare us the predictable smears and character assassination. Everything I have said is true.
And I use a pseudonym because of the potential of violence and retribution against my family, myself, and my business. I often criticize Islam in these columns. Muslims can be very nasty, violent spiteful people. I was almost murdered by one in the Borough Market attack (2017) had I been there 24 hours later. Some of the militant sexual deviants can be just as nasty.
You explained that you now wish to protect your identity in these columns – so you can’t criticize me for doing so, unless you’re a shameless two-faced posturing hypocrite.
I’m Austin Morris. Deal with it.
Austin. Yes, every study on IQ notes that the environment has a major impact on IQ. Diet, Prenatal healthcare, early childhood nutrition, etc… I have commented on those studies and you ignore them and just attack me personally or restate your own bigoted view of the word without ever presenting any facts, source, etc… that counter the studies findings I share with you. (This is your classic approach to willful ignorance).
Again, I will give you the definition of racism: The belief that humans may be divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called ‘races: that there is causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural and behavioral features; and that some races are innately superior to others.
This is exactly what you are arguing for is it not? So why shrug the title of being a racist?
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So many falsehoods, so little time….
And don’t bother cherry picking any studies that serve to confirm your naive beliefs. Books have been written on this issue, for centuries.
“The Bell Curve” is one. I suggest you read it — IF you can handle a reality check.
Different races have different IQs.
Fact.
“So many falsehoods, so little time” is a cop out if I ever heard one. Austin fights in supoort of the very definition of racism and gets upset he is labeled a racist. Only a twisted conservative could come up with that one. Lmao
The books (and really i have only found one) was long ago debunked by modern science.
But stay stupid. It fits you.
The average student in dog obedience class is smarter than Chicago students. (not sarcasm, just the raw truth.)
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Dead right.
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SAT scores were basically the same for Chicago schools as Greensboro’s schools. The average score is between 1100 to 1138 for these schools districts.
But you be you. Hate is an awful drug when mixed with ignorance.
cheryl, THAT is why their teachers/parents resist ‘tests’ – ‘tests’ don’t accurately measure ‘shuk n jive’
China has no diversity. Diversity is not a strength and China, Russia, S. Korea, and Japan know it. There is no coincidence that education started failing after school integration and after changes in emigration laws that favored so, so many non-Western Europeans into our country.
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Correct. Teddy Kennedy effectively repealed long standing immigration law, and opened the floodgates in 1965.
the professor gave ‘your commiserations’ to me
I think you broke your record for the most bigoted statement yet on Rhino Times.
The major difference in China impacting schools isn’t lack of diversity. It is their culture. In China if your child fails, they fail. This creates so much pressure that families invest far more into their children’s early education. In China the kids are key to a parents retirement quality of life so parents have a very deep interest in their kids success. (see my earlier comment on parent spending on education in china vs us). Here in the US, we pass forward even the failing the kids and give them 2, 3, 4, etc.. chances to still succeed. So parents take the lazy route and blame the schools when it is THEIR lack of support, investment and involvement that is really the reason their kids fail.
I showed you data in my earlier comment that illustrates fact. Bet you don’t have any data or valid source to prove your point. But I get it, you tunk it so it mus be troo. I promise you are wrong.
Best wishes
profess: american culture materialism pushes 2 parent families to both work multiple jobs with DAY CARE adults educating the kids HA HA HA
There was a time in this country where people in general admired success whether it be a student, coworker, or neighbor to a degree that others tried to emulate their success. This elevated society. This is no longer true. This is the result of turning away from meritocracy to equity and DEI. It started with affirmative action, a teacher’s nightmare. Even though AA started in 1961 directed at employment, it spread to every sector in our society, including education. AA was started as an executive order by John Kennedy, not a congressionally passed law. The AA executive order could have been reversed but wasn’t.
There was no public-school blame game prior to the 1960s. There was enormous respect for teachers. Now teachers must deal with so many problems that hinder an effective education, including students who cannot speak English; including parents who think they know what curriculum is best taught; including fights at schools that are so disruptive to learning; including phones in schools, and on and on.
You may say my comments are bigoted but viewed in the light of the results that public schools are delivering, there is no doubt that education started its downfall in the 1960s and has accelerated since. Witness the number of students withdrawn from public schools, and the test scores. Facts can be a harsh and painful thing to face. But I do not need a bunch of data that can be manipulated when I know what my eyes can see.
Kids who can’t speak English make up less than 10% of total students. They are not disruptive to classes as they are pulled out from regular classes for targeted, standards based English instruction. In schools with larger number of English Learning students in Guilford County, specialists and general education teachers work together in the same classroom to support these students.
Guilford County also has ‘Newcomers Schools’ that are specialized campuses specifically for recently arrived immigrants and refugees to help them adjust to US schools’ system.
There are a number of issues that impact the ability of our public schools to perform. Diversity isn’t one of them. You can complain about the additive cost, but Guilford County and most school districts do a good job of addressing the challenge English Learning student offer, so they don’t disrupt classrooms. My teacher friends will tell you they tend to be the quietest kids in the classroom.
But you be you
we invested in desegreg BUSES
Not much on this forum helps anymore. Except how to frame an insult.
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Miller, only the two liberals here have used insults like “bigoted” and “racist” (Professor Chris), and “scum” (Polly Pocket). Professor Chris also accused a commenter of being addicted to “hate” and “ignorance”. He always drags down the discussion, and routinely insults people he disagrees with.
So far, no conservative has insulted anyone.
Tells you a lot about their nature, don’t it?
Lol those are lables not insults. And your fighting in supoort of the very definition of racism makes it a good fit for you and Austin (or what ever his real name is).
Just because you all are so well versed in incredibly thinly-veiled dog whistling to your fellow racists does not mean that there hasn’t been a hateful word spewed in this comment section. Here are few examples:
“The average IQ in Sub-Saharan Africa is around 70, which is considered mentally retarded in the West. …You believe that the conditions in Africa have caused people to be stupid. You have it completely ass backward, as usual.” -Austin Morris
Obvious intent of comment (AKA the dog whistle): black people are naturally stupid and are innately lesser than other races.
“The average student in dog obedience class is smarter than Chicago students.” -Cheryl Lynn
Translation: black people are stupid.
“There was no public-school blame game prior to the 1960s. There was enormous respect for teachers. Now teachers must deal with so many problems that hinder an effective education, including students who cannot speak English…” -TERMLIMITS
Translation: black and brown children, particularly ones that cannot speak English, are bad and should never have mixed in with our precious white angel babies.
So as professor says, just own being a racist. You’re not fooling anyone.
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No Polly, what you’re doing is providing a quote from a commenter (legitimate) but then adding a bigoted sentiment to it, and attributing that addendum to the commenter (illegitimate). That’s sly.
Austin never said that black people are “innately lesser.
Termlimits never said “black & brown children… are bad”.
Those are words you’re putting in their mouths.
Like most liberals, you’re more interested in stigmatizing conservatives than holding a genuine debate about the truth.
I notice that you choose not to dispute any of the statements made by conservatives – you just want to excoriate them and engage in character assassination.
Oh, and calling us “scum” is unequivocally an insult.
You’re really not bringing much to the discussion.
I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that you have completely missed the point. Here is a quick google search result to explain what “dog whistling” is:
“Dog whistling is a form of coded, strategic messaging used in politics and public discourse to convey prejudiced or racist messages to a specific target audience while appearing innocuous to the general public. This technique allows speakers to appeal to racial prejudices and stoke resentment without using explicitly racist language, offering them “plausible deniability” against accusations of bigotry.”
Also, I never denied that scum is an insult. And I’ve got lot more where that came from, but I don’t want to hurt your widdle snowflake feewings again 🙁
So when Austin says that Africans have a lower IQ due to being lessor evolved? What race is he referring to? Context matters. He is very careful to NOT say black people but that is exactly what he means.
most racist conservatives know better than to be direct in their racist comments, so they intentionally use indirect language to make their point.
So if you aren’t racist, say that Black members of our society are genetically equal to all other ‘races’. That will put it to rest.
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All human beings are equal in the eyes of God – but that does not mean that they are equally endowed with talent, beauty, or intellect.
That’s obvious.
I’m sorry you’re having such a hard time understanding it, “Professor”.
To the “Professor” :
Are you really trying to say that “bigot”, “racist” and “scum” are not insults… just mere labels ???
LOL !!
You’re funny, buddy. Like really out there nuts.
Scum is name calling. I think Polly is ok with label given that a person being Scum does not have a definitive label. But yes, bigot and racist are labels as they have very clear definitions. if you want to deny being a racist then admit that:
1) Black and Brown people are genetically identical to other ‘races’ in term of IQ, morals, and community. (race is not a biological construct but only a social construct)
2) There is nothing ‘wrong’ or ‘perverted’ about being LGBTQ as they are as God made them.
3) There is nothing inherently wrong with being Muslin just because some in that religion commit violence in the name of their religion as some Christians do as well.
If you disagree with # 1 you are by definition a racist. if you disagree with 2 or 3 you are bigot. I am spell out the definitions one more time for you if you like but given that I have several times in the past, let’s just agree you are who you are.
Hope that helps.
So Austin admits he is a racist. Got it.
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The “Professor” likes to put words in other people’s mouths in an attempt to smear them. This is a perfect example of what he does.
i’ll try’n’up my game
Oh, some other interesting fact about China vs US education. Chinese students often spend 10+ hours a day in class, followed by extensive private tutoring (that is the extra money spent by household).
Even scarier when you consider many of the folks now making the decisions were taught common core math & modern social(ist) studies by the same institutions.
. . . & their genius earns them the > $$ jobs in ‘our’ economy ! while our(your) kids study ‘scripture’
Guilford County Taxpayers,
Apparently Skip the Omnipotent has channeled the ghost of P.T. “There’s a sucker born every minute” Barnum with a bit of Marie “Let them eat cake” Antoinette thrown in.
Come to think of it, Marie Antoinette a great handle for the “Vice Chair” instead of Igor.
Just a thought.
I’ve never read such a fluff piece as I just read. Skip has been taking OUR money and wasting it on nonsense for as long as I can remember. He runs Guilford County like his own little fifedom and we must all be his loyal minions. The rest of the council are clearly terrified of him or lick his boots in the hopes he’ll drop them a crumb or two.
As for this nonsense of this unreasonable ridiculous over evaluated money grab that’s inflating the values our homes. Funny, this is going to injure us in 2 ways. Not only via taxes but our homeowners insurance (bet nobody figured this one out). All homeowner insurance companies are going to up our rates. Yes… because it’ll cost more to rebuild or repair our homes in case of a peril. The other day on the NextDoor site someone rudely said “Hey Boomers, looks like you’re gonna have to adjust your spending”… I’m guessing he was a renter which brings me to another point that many missed. Landlords don’t rent because of a “Labor of Love” they are business people. They will absolutely raise your rent to offset their new costs.
Let’s all get together and get rid of the pariahs that run Guilford County. This is not a Democrat or Republican issue, this is a human survival issue. Let’s let the council members know they are expendable, especially Skip.
Thank you, now let’s all get out there and vote like your life depends on it.
The voters keep sending you-know-what to the City & County Councils. So whose fault is it?
Just to be clear, you-know-what is black people, right? I can’t imagine you’d be hiding behind “you-know-what” to avoid calling out liberals.
Talk about smoke and mirrors… this still doesn’t address the fact that we already know that we need more than $2 billion to finish the school projects that are underway. It would be financially prudent to take the 2/3 money and finish the school project but financial prudence doesn’t appear to be a Hall Mark of this council.
Debt is debt. It appears the County and City have little or no concern for the welfare of hard working citizens and those who are retired. With the numerous pet projects we pay for which benefit the select chosen few, nothing will get better for the average tax paying citizen. You voted these spend thrifts into office. Are you happy now? Has your financial situation improved over the last few years? Use your vote wisely.
“In essence, when the county pays down debt in a given year, it can then borrow back up to two-thirds of that amount the following year.” So, if you are a taxpayer and prefer to avoid endless tax increases, you would be wise to vote against all new bond or debt proposals put to a vote. Whatever need the County cites can always be paid for with new borrowing equal to two thirds of the debt retired in the prior year. If the County believes it needs new funds, it can simply retire the amount of debt necessary to cover the need, and issue new debt equal to two thirds of the retirement without approval by voters. Since we, the taxpayers, ultimately will pay both the interest and principal on the County credit card, why vote to increase the Credit card limit? Just like in the real world, if you pay off your outstanding balance every month, the bank will be happy to increase your limit. If you fall behind, they won’t. Neither should we.
Right, 2/3 bonds will extort MORE money from the Taxpayer. Those who bothered to show up at the polls are responsible for this. Those who didn’t bother are responsible for the the DSP govt you have in Guilford County & City. So it is the uniformed and apathetic TAXPAYERS who are responsible for all this.
a very large # of guvmnt employees who live here will now contribute $$ to support wut they ‘build. ‘ i like it. therez a certain amount of fairness in it
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Nope, that’s a zero sum game, and circular reasoning as well.
what % of guilford co people subsist on guvmnt $, do u think ? AL
Nearly 40% of Guilford County residents receive Medicaid benefits (health care for indigents).
This is a voting block that wants their free stuff.
Miller, where did you get that number, the number I find is 23.7%.
Half of those on Medicaid are children. Over 20% are seniors or disabled (who account for over half of the expenditures).
Over 65% of adults enrolled in medicaid are working but work in low-income jobs.
They don’t want free stuff…..they want healthcare. Only a heartless person believes people should be left on the street sick, dying, etc… even though they can’t work or work in low-income jobs. Healthcare should be a human right.
the resident guvmnt live, contribute & create the same environment we live in, Al H. ‘it is in the shelter of each other that the People live’ irish proverb
al, who won what to cause who’s loss of what ? ‘circular reasoning’ implies that scientists shouldn’t have an hypothesis or theory before experimentation ?
The festering cesspool of bold-faced racism in the Rhino Times comment section on a good day is appalling. But this comment section is utterly disturbing. You are all proof that the US (and NC, particular) isn’t spending nearly enough on education. Nothing is free, you ignorant (deleted).
*Scott, please protect my right to free speech and hateful language the same way you do for the rest of these scum and do not censor my comment. DOn’T tReaD oN mE.
Polly, the racists comments that you see are nothing compared to the truly hateful and ignorant ones that I throw out completely. One time I wrote an article about a person hired by a local government and the person happened to be black. One reader sent in a one word response. It was simply the N word.
That is horrifying and I don’t envy the task of moderating this comment section. Thank you for posting 99% of my comment (and I do understand the bleep lol).
Neutral ? scott
SCOTT IS CENSORING US! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT GEORGE ORWELL WARNED US ABOUT! He is removing any post that has a normal point of view. If you want your comment posted you have to be bold. Good luck to any centrists out there or as I like to call them…low IQ individuals with an inability to differentiate between good and evil.
I have no idea what you are talking about. If your post did not get posted please send it again. Thanks.
Are you suggesting it is appropriate to post a comment such as the one Scott mentioned that just gave the ‘n word’ for an article about a black member of the council or county staff?
eg. agnostics, harold ? scott may b keeping me out of ‘trouble’ (libel)
Professor, you clearly did not read my comment. I was criticizing centrism not people who use the n word openly. Please become literate
“He is removing any post that has a normal point of view.”
I was addressing this portion of your comment with my question (it wasn’t an accusation).
To be more direct in my question, why do you think Scott is removing centrist points of view, when he has stated he only removes the most racist of comments such as the singe word comment using the n-word.
It isn’t clear how you came to your conclusion/accusation against Scott, so I asked a question. Fair, it wasn’t a clear question, but it would still get to the point.
this is editing, not censure. over the years, i’ve had comments that were not posted. used to be that ugly personal attacks were censored, as I hardly saw any. some wher i attacked local advertisers were censored, which i understand. the ugliness we see on this forum negates much of the veracity of real content.
i do have issues with businesses, which i document with facts. such things as dynamic or surveillance pricing. such as WalMart and Amazon.
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Polly, Scott is outstandingly courageous and unequaled locally in his willingness to publish comments provided by local citizens, even if they upset people who embrace the contemporary politically correct woke consensus.
You are clearly jealous of your right to free speech.
I suggest you extend the same freedom to those with whom you disagree.
And don’t call us “scum”, dear.
Or we might reciprocate in kind and just tell you to eff off.
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Bet I’m more educated than you.
Many racists like you are educated Austin. You simply choose not to read, learn, or even explore that your belief in the genetic differences of ‘races’ is not accurate, has long been disproven by science and fits the actual definition of racism. Your arrogance and bigotry feed your ‘I thunk it so it mus be troo’ logic on the subject even though science long ago proved you wrong.
Again:
The definition of racism is: The belief that humans may be divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called ‘races: that there is causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural and behavioral features; and that some races are innately superior to others.
This is exactly what you are arguing for is it not? So why shrug the title of being a racist?
Educated doesn’t mean intellengnce…..I went to the same college as you and even went on to a master’s degree, and we all know what you think of me. LMAO
Hey Austin,
I don’t really know you except through this forum and while we do occasionally disagree on some things I respect you and your opinions, so I’m simply giving you a suggestion as far as Chris/Professor/Polly Pocket/Whatever Other Name He’s Using/Going To Use. When you feed an animal, no matter how much you don’t care for them, they will keep coming back and annoy you.
On a side note, I find it amusing how he keeps posting under that ‘professor’ nom de plume (that’s a false name Chris).
Alan, you do know Austin isn’t his real name. Given his common hate, bigoted and racist comments, I assume.you are not that surprised.
Have to admit thst I am surprised to see you defend his racist views on IQ differences between ‘races’.
But you be you.
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Thanks for the advice, Alan. I should probably take it and ignore that asshole.
But I enjoy debating and winning debates. I was in our school’s Lit & Deb Soc. – Literary & Debating Society – and I usually acquitted myself quite well.
I especially enjoy debating in Leftist forums, but I keep getting banned by them ! So much for Leftists being tolerant and accepting of diverse opinions!
* Cheers!
LOL, Austin thinks winning a debate is calling me names and just repeating his unsubstantiated opinion ‘be cuz he thunk it so it mus be troo’. Delusions of grandeur by Austin Morris will be the title of his biography one day.
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Say that a third time, “Professor”.
When you say it three times, that makes it true! !!
How do you define racism Austin if not how I have played out…..oh right, you are just avoiding having to admit i am right.
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Chrissy, you are finally closing in on the crux of the matter. It all depends on what exactly is meant by racism. If it is the acknowledgement of the differences between the races, then we are all racists. Simply acknowledging differences is an acceptance of reality; it is not bigotry.
Otherwise, acknowledging the differences between men and women would be sexism.
But it’s not sexist to say that women have breasts – it’s just the truth, like the statements I have made regarding race.
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So say it…..so far you have not given any evidence of differences in races. Just differences regions. I have said many times that science is well aware of the differences in regions of the world both historically and currently. All are traceable to environmental, economic, political, and cultural factors. NOT genetics. This is well documented in modern science in the study of genetics.
So again. Say what race has a lower IQ because they are ‘as you say’ lessor evolved?
Science is very clear that race is biological and not genetic and that there is no difference in IQ by genetics. All humans 99.9% genetically identical.
the same college? the plot thickens…
Yup!!!!! We might have even overlaped by 1 year. I think Austin is about 4 years older than myself based on past comments. Would be funny to think we knew each other in the real world. Go Spartans!!!
maybe you are twins separated at birth. anyone ever told you you have a british accent?
i bet $1 sans inflationary effects
…How can one be jealous of their own right to free speech? That makes zero sense. Nice try, though. And please do tell me to eff off. It would be far from the worst thing you’ve said across every Rhino article you comment on.
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Bet you’re not. I have a master’s degree from UNC Chapel Hill. But that doesn’t make me better than you or anyone else.
OK Austin,
You won the bet…Chris/Professor/Polly Pocket/Sybil/M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E just confirmed what we already knew…all the same person with a serious psychological personality/identity problem…with a Master’s Degree from UNC Chapel Hill.
Insults and attempted superior, you-are-a-peasant put downs begin in 3—2—1—and….
Amazing to me that you all think I am the voice behind all non-echo chamber comments. I have only posted under the names Chris and Professor (a name you morons gave me). My master’s degree is from Wake Forest by the way.
I am only using Professor going forward due to recent DOXing garbage from a couple of Rhino readers.
But you be you.
You’re the one that brought my education up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And no, I’m not professor. And I’m not even close to considering using my real name on here because I’m not an idiot.
Well Chris/Professor/Polly Pocket/Sybil/M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E/Whatever You Use Next, I’m going to get down in the dirt only because in my personal opinion it’s all you deserve
First, folks know who you are so using that ‘Professor ‘BS is a day late and a dollar short. “I am only using Professor going forward due to recent DOXing garbage from a couple of Rhino readers.” my fourth point of contact. It’s because you’ve decided to become a coward and don’t want to man up and take responsibility for your words and actions. which means your not really a man.
Second, race is not a biological reality; most geneticists agree that racial categories are invalid at the DNA level, with greater genetic variation within racial groups than between them. But hey, you’re college edumacated and I’m just a HS grad with a wide diversity of skills and knowledge.
Third, I at least have the balls to keep using my REAL name.
Alan Marshal getting frisky in the Rhino comments sections. Again, it is you morons that gave me the name Professor. Just making good use of it.
And yes, conservative hate filled nutters are ugly people. I would like to keep them out of my personal life going forward.
Just look at how you assume only one person would dare counter the racist statements made here by your ‘buddies’. (again, I only post under the name Chris or Professor) Your buddies who don’t use their real names by they way (even in letters to the editor). Do you consider Austin a coward? Rebel is a coward to you? How about Al? Oh right, you are a conservative so a hypocrite who uses double standards when addressing conservative versus liberal minded people.
Having known you for several years outside of the Rhino comment section, I am disappointed to learn you are just an angry little man who is too small minded to think for yourself as you just parrot the conservative propaganda you feed yourself with daily (and are completely unable to defend when challenged.) Just another victim of identity-based politics.
Best wishes.
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I’m the one who first called you “Professor Chris”, because of your condescension, fake erudition, and arrogance.
I am not a moron, but you are a rude, obnoxious asshole.
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It’s amazing my comments are so lauded by other commenters here, isn’t it? It must be very puzzling to you.
Leftism attracts so many because it is an instant halo, a signal of the morally superior, the compassionate, and the caring. For every blackguard and scoundrel it’s an immediate Get Out of Jail Free card. And it’s pure gold for people who like to feel superior and look down on others. That’s why you – and our perennial Leftist “Professor” Chris – like to insult us and put us down.
But if you can get off your high horse for a moment, you might examine the sentiments expressed here, rather than engaging in cheap ad hominem attacks.
And by educated I didn’t necessarily mean only formal education, although I did achieve 10 O-Levels, 4 A-Levels, and the highest SAT score of all incoming students at UNC-G in 1983 (about 1600 kids).
I can send a photo of the contemporaneous News & Record article to Scott to confirm it, if you like.
One more thing : in what part of the public sector education empire are you employed ? If you are, you really should declare an interest, shouldn’t you?
You’re right, I absolutely do look down on racists. And nobody cares about your or my education. That’s all you, bud.
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Then why did you bring up education… hun?
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And why won’t you answer the question : What part of the education establishment do you “work” in?
Why are you refusing to answer the question?
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Well I don’t look down on you. My mother was a lifelong socialist. She was deluded, but I loved her.
I just hope that in the quiet of night, when you can’t sleep, you begin to think deeply about how you feel about other Americans who disagree with you.
I am no bigot.
I just refuse to deny reality.
The sign of a true bigot is that they believe their hatred of others is justified by their ‘observations’ while willfully ignoring any information counter to their biased view of the world. This include ignoring science, data, and experts in their fields of study.
When confronted with facts, data, or sources from experts’s a bigot will choice 1 of 3 paths to remain ignorant:
1) They ignore the data, facts, and science and just repeat themselves (often with some personal insults tossed in for good measure)
2) They will deflect by changing the subject to some other aspect of their bigoted belief system
3) They use conspiracy theories to discredit the source of the data, science, etc….
Austin uses all three approaches and mixes it up some…but #1 is his go to for claiming he ‘won an argument’.
Regardless, Austin is a racist bigot and when asked direct questions that require him to avoid his dog whistles, he just uses the 4th option…..he ignores the comment.
The point isn’t to change Austin’s (or whatever his real name) mind. He is a lost cause. The point is to have alternative fact-based opinions drown out his bigoted view of the world so anyone else reading the rhino times doesn’t mistake the Rhino as a safe place for his bigoted views.
Best wishes.
LOL a couple of like minded commentors agree with his posts and he considers that being ‘lauded’. LMAO
Can’t what for the Austin Morris biography titled “Delusions of Grandeur”
Of course, if anyone agrees with my comments or letters, they claim it is just me using a different username because how can more than one person have rational views based on facts and science?
What a weird world conservatives live in to maintain their hate and anger at their imaginary boogeymen.
1. I don’t work in the education establishment
2. I will never tell you where I do work or what my name is because that would be a foolish thing to do
3. The mommy issues bit explains *a lot*
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I’m a strange “racist bigot”. My best friend is from Sri Lanka and had darker skin than most African-Americans, and I grew up in Leeds when it was 10% Jewish. In my class at school we had 5 Jewish boys out of about 25-30, a slight over representation, probably because Jews are highly intelligent and we were in the A-Stream classes, for the brightest boys.
We all got on famously.
You are really trying too hard to disparage and denigrate me, “Professor Chris”.
You hatred is showing.
Let it go, mate. Have a beer.
Cheers!
If you aren’t a racist bigot, then admit that people of color just are as genetically evolved as whites and Asians. Or are you still so daft you think each country is its own ‘race’.
The ‘I have a friend of color’ excuse is a classic false argument by many racists. You have literally fought in support of your belief in the foundation of the definition of racism.
Answer the challenge Austin (or whatever your real name is)
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I don’t know what you’re talking about. Your comment is unfocused gibberish that merely regurgitates your prior accusations.
And you can’t prove a negative. Like so many Leftists your charge of “racist” is an attempt at character assassination – the ultimate ad hominem attack. You’re “playing the man, not the ball”, as they say in soccer. You’d rather attack someone who disagrees with you than debate the issue.
You’re a nasty, angry little man with too much time on his hands.
Again, Austin declines to denounce the thinking that defines racism. Adds up.
I have laid out why you are a racist several times in clear (typo free) comments and you have refused to engage on those topics, instead you change the subject or mix in non-race based data (that I provide acknowledgement and explanation for….).
One more time Austin. Do you believe that races have evolved to different genetic standards, so some races are lessor evolved than others in things such as IQ? If you do, this is the very definition of racism (hence you’re labeled as a racist) and ignores all modern science around the topic of genic differences in race which show 99.9% of genetics between humans are identical. I have provided several sources with easy-to-read articles on this science that you noted you refuse to read.
Your once source you quote “The Bell Curve” was long been debunked by mainstream science now that we better understand human genetics. The book ignores entirely the effectives of environmental factors and fails to prove IQ tests are not culturally biased, and sources data from a group known for promoting white supremacy and racial ‘hygiene. Lastly the book relies on traditional racial categories as biological, which modern studies (post-Human Genome Project) recognize as outdated as race is now viewed as a social construct rather than an indicator of genetic difference.
Modern science is clear…observed differences between cultures, regions of the world, countries, communities, etc… are attributed to environmental factors (clean air and water for example), socioeconomic status (access to healthcare, access to healthy food, etc..), educational quality, and cultural bias.
Happy to provide as many sources as you like. But I know you don’t want them….since that might make you woke, to actually understand how we are all the same yet different all at once.
Wear your label of racist with pride given how happy you are to defend it.
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You have misunderstood the word in context.
Jealous can mean “vigilant in guarding a possession” – Merriam-Webster, definition number 3.
I would have thought someone as educated as you would have understood that. Maybe you’re not as smart as you think you are, darlin’.
You’ve really got a chip on your shoulder about your education, huh? Have you considered therapy?
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No Polly, it was you who called us “ignorant (deleted)” and implied that it was due to us being poorly educated – your Comment above, March 23rd, 11:47am. So you started slinging the mud, didn’t you?
I don’t have a chip on my shoulder about anything, in fact I’m known for my relaxed self-confidence, but when a smug jerk who knows nothing about me decides to impugn my education and intellect, I refuse to let it slide, because they’re just wrong. If your comment is an apology, it’s a very poor one.
Have you considered enrolling in a class on elementary manners or courtesy?
If not, I suggest that you don’t sling insults and demean other people – or you’ll get it right back…. from me, at least.
Why be polite to a person who insults entire groups of people for being who god made them? Why be polite to a person who insults entire groups of people for living in far more challenging places in the world because they don’t meet his standards? Why be polite to a person who insults entire groups of people for simply being different than himself?
I for one am glad to NOT know you in real life.
Best wishes
lol my comment was definitely NOT an apology.
I’ll give you that I did imply that your ignorance is proof of a poor education system, which unfairly insults every person that went through the NC public school system (myself included). So, I’ll apologize to everyone *except* for you (Austin/Al/Alan/D-I-N-G-D-O-N-G or whatever your REAL name is).
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Hey, keep it up Polly! The least of your mistakes is assuming that several of the people here are the same person! I know it must be hard for you to understand, but fellow conservatives often express the same opinions and beliefs – but that don’t mean they’re the same person.
You’re not very smart for someone who’s so “educated”, are you?
And your other errors are equally stupid.
Go back to indoctrinating the kids.
Do you really not recognize that I’m mocking Alan? It is *hilarious* and so very on brand for y’all to get worked up about me mirroring the same dumb accusation of being the same commenter just for agreeing with each other.
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You’re not as witty as you think you are.
And it must be a left wing strategy to claim they were being funny when they’re caught in a deception or an error. Professor Chris claims he was joking when he praised himself under a different fake name, patting himself on the back while pretending it was someone else.
Now you walk back your silly claim that we’re all one person by also claiming you were just being funny.
* Why don’t y’all just fess up and admit you were (a) sly and (b) wrong?
Humor takes intelligence Polly. So clearly Al wouldn’t get the sarcasm within the humor of your statement. They have done the very same when I make similar mocking comments to their rants.
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You think you’re so superior to us, don’t you “Professor”? You’re always itchin to put us down so you can feel better about yourself.
You ain’t even really got it between the ears. You’re mediocre – and you know it.
Superior? No. Just not a racist. And just a supporter of science, facts and data versus conspiracy theories and ignorance.
But you be you
Polly Pocket,
I developed an attitude that pretty well covers your concerns…Regardless of race, sex, color, creed. religious beliefs, sexual or political orientation I hold EVERYONE in equal disdain. It changes when you demonstrate your ability to to be a member of the HUMAN RACE.
Makes my life so much easier.
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Ain’t it weird how “educators” can make any issue into a reason why they deserve more money?
Today’s excuse : Waycism !
Genuine question: do you really believe that teachers don’t deserve to be paid more?
Disingenuous question: who hurt you?
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NC teachers work 9 months a year, knock off at 3.00pm, enjoy Cadillac benefits, get to retire after just 30 years, produce the worst educated kids in the Western World – and receive an average salary well above $50,000. They are way, way overpaid. They have leveraged political power exerted by the teachers’ unions (NCAE, NEA) into millions of cushy well-paid jobs. And the results are pitiful.
American kids always rank about 25-30th in global studies, so let’s “Pay our teachers what they’re worth!” – and reduce their pay to 27th in the World.
Fair enough?
Average starting salary for teachers is 42K in NC while the average business school graduate makes 60k+ right out of school. So again, data says teachers are underpaid.
They don’t get off work by 3pm. Most work until 4:30pm after arriving around 7am and also grade work while home. So they work a full 8 hours or more a day in a high stress environment where fools like you make generalized false assumptions to degrade what they have to put up with every day.
There is a lot wrong with NC public education but blaming teachers and claim they have it easy is classic ignorance by someone who has no idea what teachers do on a day to day basis.
But you be you.
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Classic sly deflection & deception from our lying liberal. I acccurately quote the average NC teachers’ salary, and he tries to debunk it by quoting the starting salary – which is a totally different thing.
I’d disprove his other lies too, but he ain’t worth the trouble.
This guy’s an [Deleted] – Oh, and his wife works in the pubilc school system. So there’s that. When he rushes to defend the public sector schools, he doesn’t like that fact being mentioned !
LOL!
Juat giving data to prove your assumption of teacher pay wrong. Starting wage is the standard for comparing professional income levels.
But you be you.
AL our military get to retire after 20 years & most never experience ‘combat’. look @ their ‘pay chart’ & perks; i am sukin on that tit youz provide. thnx
well, no. I was married to a school teacher. they are paid for nine months, not twelve. some teachers annualize their paychecks over twelve months. the production of uneducated children is the direct result of leftist school boards and supervisors forcing the political agenda on the children. my ex wife knew these policies were destroying govt schools, she held on her last few years to get her 30 years in. teachers routinely took their “homework” home in the evenings and over the weekend, as they did not have enough time to plan their lessons during schools hours.
if you knew the junk teachers had to put up with, you can but know that they were underpaid. the curriculum was bad enough, then you had to put with arrogant parents and totally unbehaved and dangerous kids, while getting no support from above.
the result of all this is that really good teachers got out as soon as they could, there are very few of them left in govt schools. most of what is left are those who don’t care, but will take the paycheck and go home. even these are underpaid.
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I agree that today’s school teachers are indifferent, unmotivated, and just do the minimum to get their paycheck, benefits, and retirement.
al, everybody does it but i consider ‘reparations’ as ‘racism’ & those who espouse it as thieves requiring immediate ‘remediation’ by ‘relocation’
u r ‘healthy, wealthy or wise’ – choose one. i like this forum because it isn’t an ‘echo chamber’ & austin morris is > my prose skills.
yes lots of different opinions very healthy
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Thanks, Markl! In my Grammar school we were made to learn correct English and precise expression.
I know Standard English not one of your strengths, but I love your off the wall comments, and idiosyncratic take on things, even if I do struggle to understand them sometimes.
* Cheers!
polly, if our ‘cesspool’ is not ‘festering’ it needs ‘bacteria’ to make it nontoxic.
DOT RD NE ? i didn’t get it, polly.
Are you ok?
polly, you decide ‘ok’ness
My apologies, Mr. Sparkl. I now understand what you were referring to (the random capitalized letters in “don’t tread on me”). No hidden message, just an internet thing.
In hindsight, I should have just gone with “No Step on Snek!” 🙂
Wait a minute… Austin, Al, and Alan sure do make a lot of the same points. They must be the same person! GASP
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Polly the Pedagogue here displays a classic Leftist characteristic ; the ability to jump to the wrong conclusion when presented with a series of truths.
And i’ll put the question to you one more time. In what part of the education business are you employed? Why are you scared to answer?
Don’t be dense. I’m obviously mimicking Al’s claim that professor and I are the same person.
And I’ll answer your question one more time. I do not work in education in any way, shape, or form. And you know why? Because teachers are underpaid!
I will also repeat that I will not be giving you or anyone in any comment section ever my real name or what I do for a living. I am not in the habit of giving unhinged men a way to find me.
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I never said that you & the Professor were the same person. That was Alan – and I’m not Alan.
Try to keep things straight in your muddled little head, Miss Polly.
And I have never asked for your real name either.
How come liberals manage to get everything wrong?
polly, may/has a ‘hinged’ man find/found u? by popular demand, my name has been changed to SOMEBODY !
I’m not Austin and Austin ain’t me.
I see you’re not denying being Alan though. DUN DUN DUNNNNN
I’m not Alan.
…. and you call conservatives conspiracy theorists !
Liberals live in a little make believe world of their own. Conservatives live in the real world.
By their logic that would make sense but no, they are just hypocrites who can’t believe that anyone would dare disagree with your bigoted views of the world given how hard they worked to remain ignorant on the topic of diversity. And they do love a good conspiracy theory. I am pretty certain Alan thinks the world is flat. LMAO
Considering the world was my drop zone of course I think it’s flat.
Really? Are you a flat earther? That would be hysterical.
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500 years ago your revered “science” maintained that the Earth WAS flat.
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For little children like “Professor” Chris, “science” is definitive truth, rather than an ever evolving quest to understand reality.
This guy has the mentality and maturity of a small child.
I don’t recall any science ever claiming the earth was flat. I understand that people in general believed the earth was flat through casual observation, but no scientist ever proved the earth was flat using science/math. Science actually proved the earth was a sphere back in the 4th century BC by using mathematical models of the stars.
Only a fool thinks that new conclusions proving past conclusions incorrect/incomplete invalidates science. The ability to change is actually science’s greatest strength. If science never changed its mind, we’d still be treating headaches with bloodletting. The fact that it evolves proves it is working because it’s responding to new evidence rather than clinging to old ideas such as believing that race is a genetic construction versus a biological construct, or ignoring the studies on the impact of the environment on early childhood development and IQ.
Science changing its conclusions as new data becomes available is a feature, not a bug. BUT holding onto old ideas because they feed your bias….as you seem to choose to do…..that is willful ignorance.
Wait until you hear how a scientific theory is the highest standard for ‘truth’ in science yet has the word ‘theory’ in its name. Happy to discuss that next.
Hope that helps.
So Chris/Professor/Polly Pocket/Sybil/M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E/Whatever You Use Next
“Wait a minute… Austin, Al, and Alan sure do make a lot of the same points. They must be the same person! GASP”
Thank you for the compliment.
As for the denials…”The lady doth protest too much, methinks” is a famous line from
Shakespeare’s Hamlet (Act 3, Scene 2), spoken by Queen Gertrude. It means that someone’s excessive denial or passionate objection suggests they are actually insincere, guilty, or hiding the truth. It implies that overstating a position reveals it is false.
I think it’s appropriate here, and yes, I don’t have a fancy college degree except for the one from the School of Wayward Boy’s and Hard Knocks, and I’m not ashamed to use MY name. (And Marshall is spelled with two “L” there college degree Skippy. Get your money back.)
Your tin foil hat fall off again? Pinch the edged when you get it back on…that might help.
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Average Chinese IQ : 107
Average Somalian IQ : 68
“Facts are stubborn things” – John Adams
AL a ‘high IQ’ westerner dropped into the australian outback would quickly perish where ‘low IQ’ aborigines have survived (but never prospered?) in ‘balance’ with their scarce resources for tens of thousands of years. IQ tests r only relevant/useful in specific cultures/ecosystems. is our high IQ culture poisoning EVERYBODY’S ecosystem ? is our high IQ warfare lethal & toxic ? do minorities rule because of the ‘soma’ & ‘feelies’ & ‘religions’ they invent & propagate to keep the ‘majority’ sheepY ?
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So go live in the Australian outback, buddy.
you do realize that those are countries and not races right Al? Or are we now claiming that every country is a race? Weird.
As I have noted numerous times when you and Austin post this tripe:
What you are sharing is just differences regions. Science is well aware of the differences in regions of the world both historically and currently. All are traceable to environmental, economic, political, and cultural factors. NOT genetics. This is well documented in modern science in the study of genetics. Happy to share easy to read articles on this research if you like.
I will also note that the IQ figure you quote has been noted as not based on a statistically valid sample. But I am sure you don’t care since it counters your racist view of the world.
But you be you. Stay stupid. It suits you.
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Drone on, moron.
Facts again shut down ‘ol Al Hare. Love it
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No. The statistic about Chinese and Somali IQ is accurate – i.e. it’s a fact.
As Daniel Patrick Moynihan used to say, “You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts”.
But you stay in your little Alice in Wonderland, mate, where all people are identically intelligent, industrious, talented, and handsome.
LOL !!
Yes Austin, science has long studied differences in IQ between regions of the world. What does that have to do with race?
As I have noted multiple times and you have refused to engage on, the differences in IQ are well studied as shown to be due to a mix of environmental, social economic, and cultural differences. Not genetic. I have never at any time denied that different regions of the world have different levels of IQ in general. I only disagree on the source/cause of that difference.
Weird you keep bring up this argument that I have proven doesn’t support our argument about races having different IQs. Classic willful ignorance.
But you keep fighting to prove racists are right and science is wrong. Good for you for fighting for what you believe in….me….I will fight for what science has shown to be true by long ago invalidating what you ‘believe’.
The different regions of the World are inhabited by different races, and have been for millennia.
This must be news to you – or else you are contorting reality into pretzel shapes in an attempt to defend your absurd position on race : that we are all equally intelligent, talented, good looking, and industrious.
What a joke.
Grow up, man.
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You have proven absolutely nothing.
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I wonder if the Lefties are now going to call me a “Yellow Supremacist” !!
Nothing supreme about Al. That is for sure.
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“Professor” always brings the debate down to this level, have you noticed?
Next he’ll point out some of the insults I’ve hurled at him, but he will not mention that those were IN RESPONSE to his abuse and rudeness. I’ll reciprocate in kind to any asshole.
When he’s absent from a particular comment column, the discussion is polite, reasoned, and enlightening.
When he’s present, it’s argumentative, confrontational, and acerbic.
Awwwww Al can dish it out but can’t take? Poor boo boo.
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How old are you ? Six?
I give as I receive. Sorry to interrupt your little echo chamber of hate and misinformation with facts, data and expert sources. Well, not really sorry. But you know. LMAO