The North Carolina State Board of Elections has approved a new process to verify the citizenship status of all registered voters in the state – a move that officials say is aimed at improving the accuracy of voter rolls while ensuring that eligible voters are not wrongly removed.
At a recent meeting, the board voted to begin checking voter information against a federal database maintained by US Citizenship and Immigration Services known as the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements, or SAVE system.
Under the plan, voters’ names, dates of birth and the last four digits of their Social Security numbers will be submitted through the database to flag potential noncitizens. The State Board has entered into a Memorandum of Agreement with federal officials to use the SAVE system, formalizing how that data-sharing process will work.
“This is another way that we will continue to improve the accuracy of our voter rolls and make sure only eligible voters can cast ballots in this state,” State Board Executive Director Sam Hayes said in a statement released by the board pertaining to the new verification process. “As noncitizens are removed from the voter list, necessary precautions will be taken to ensure that no eligible voters are affected.”
The effort comes with a large number of safeguards, according to the board, and the process laid out by the newly approved rules is more involved than simply matching names against a database.
If a voter is flagged by the SAVE system as a potential noncitizen, elections officials will take additional steps before any removal is considered.
First, officials will work with the SAVE system to determine whether other records available through the federal database indicate that the person is, in fact, a US citizen.
Then, state and local records will be reviewed to see whether the voter has ever provided proof of citizenship to a government agency.
If no such documentation can be found, the voter will be notified and given an opportunity to respond, correct the information or provide proof of citizenship.
Under the rules approved by the board, voters must be given notice and an opportunity to be heard before they can be removed from the rolls. That includes the ability to submit documentation verifying their citizenship status.
The rules aren’t in effect yet. They must still go before the Rules Review Commission for final approval before they can be implemented statewide.
State officials emphasized that the effort isn’t being driven by evidence of widespread fraud.
Election officials say they don’t have evidence suggesting that noncitizen registration or voting is a widespread problem in North Carolina. However, they also note that even a small number of ineligible voters can become an issue in a state where elections are often decided by narrow margins. Look at the Sam Page versus Phil Berger election if you want a local example of an important outcome determined by a handful of votes..
The board points to documented cases as justification for tightening verification procedures.
A State Board audit conducted after the 2016 general election found that 41 noncitizens with legal status cast ballots in that election. That election saw nearly 4.8 million votes cast statewide, meaning the number of identified cases represented a very small fraction of the total.
According to that audit, many of those cases weren’t intentional violations of the law.
Interviews and evidence gathered during the audit indicated that some noncitizens were misinformed about eligibility requirements during voter registration drives. In at least one documented instance, a local precinct official provided incorrect information.
In another case cited in the audit, a woman in her 70s had lived in the United States for more than 50 years and believed she was a citizen because she’d been married to a US citizen.
Those examples, officials say, highlight that errors in the voter rolls can occur for reasons other than deliberate misconduct.
More recently, the state board noted that a Canadian citizen pleaded guilty in federal court to two counts of making false claims of US citizenship on North Carolina voter registration applications in 2022 and 2024 in order to vote in elections.
Under both state and federal law, registering or voting as a non-U.S. citizen is a felony.
Under Article VI, Section 1 of the North Carolina Constitution, only US citizens are eligible to vote in state elections. State officials say that maintaining accurate voter rolls is essential to ensuring the requirement is upheld.
The State Board also notes that ineligible ballots can effectively cancel out votes cast by eligible voters, which, again, become particularly important in close races.
North Carolina has seen a number of closely contested elections in recent years, where outcomes have been decided by relatively small margins, adding to the emphasis on the need for maintaining accurate voter lists.
At the same time, the proposal is already drawing concern from voting rights advocates. They warn that the use of federal databases like SAVE could lead to eligible voters being incorrectly flagged.
Critics of similar efforts in other states have argued that government databases aren’t always up to date or perfectly accurate, particularly for naturalized citizens – and that matching errors can occur when records are incomplete or inconsistent.
Those concerns center on the possibility that eligible voters could be wrongly identified as noncitizens and forced to go through a potentially burdensome process to prove their citizenship in order to remain on the rolls.
Critics have also raised broader concerns that aggressive voter roll maintenance efforts, even when well-intentioned, can sometimes discourage participation or create confusion among voters.
State officials, however, argue that the multi-step review process and required notification procedures are exactly designed to prevent that from happening and to ensure that no eligible voter is removed without due process.
In addition to identifying and removing ineligible voters, the new verification effort is expected to generate more data about how noncitizens end up on voter rolls in the first place.
State election officials say that information could help inform future policy decisions and public discussion about administration of elections in North Carolina.
The State Board has also launched a new webpage providing additional information about voter list maintenance efforts, including a question-and-answer section explaining how the SAVE database will be used in the verification process.
The broader goal, according to election officials, is to strike a balance — ensuring that only eligible voters participate in elections while also protecting the rights of those who are legally entitled to vote.
“This is another way that we will continue to improve the accuracy of our voter rolls,” Hayes said, “and make sure only eligible voters can cast ballots in this state.”

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What took them so long?
Only US Citizens should be able to vote in US elections.
Will be interesting to see how few non-citizens actually vote illegally. If you listen to the propaganda of the right wingers, it is millions. I bet it is tens, if that.
Regardless of the number of illegals voting, even one vote is too many. A change to the upcoming 2030 census that is so important and needed is the question of citizenship. Currently, a citizen question is not part of the census but should be. A state’s number of representatives in the House is decided by the state’s population. Noncitizens should be excluded for the purpose of House counts because noncitizens cannot vote. States with the highest number of illegals, think California and New York, will resist the citizen question in the census questionnaire.
Statistics disagree with you that ‘even 1 is too many’. I argue that you will disenfranchise far more legal voters from voting (due to even more paperwork being required) than you will stop these mythical ‘illegal immigrants’ from voting. Not complicated.
I think it is important to count all people in the census as it is used for more than just voting. Excluding them from representative allocation would make sense. TX might not like it and not sure how effective the question really is given it is voluntary.
I am surprised at your admission that the citizenship question should be in the census of 2030. Without the citizen question, how would they be excluded from representative allocation? We need to know how many illegals are here and where they are. Your progressive friends do not want the citizen question.
I support the citizen question but doubt how accurate it will be.
Gosh professor just read this. Over 34k dead people on the voting rolls. Seems this shoots a hole in your case. As Gomer Pyle used to say Surprise Surprise Surprise And that’s just in NC.
My guess is the “professor” is the same person, who posted on this site, appears to be the same person otherwise known as Chris.
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right on, Joe !
He’s the guy forever claiming “Studies” and “Data” and “Statistics” and “Science” back up his liberal BS.
He tried hiding behind different names for a while, but it was so obviously him that he had to fess up !
Now he calls himself a Professor! The guy’s a joke.
I have been more than open about switching from Chris to Professor (Al actually gave the name) but the girls here got all upset and started their conspiracy wagon train about every liberal sounding comment being me using a different name. Tinfoil hat crowd can be entertaining at times. LOL
professor/Cxxxxxxxx X Rxxx/Chris/Polly Pocket/Sybil/hatever,
https://abc11.com/post/nc-board-elections-finds-34000-dead-people-voter-rolls/18982688/
and non-citizens. To paraphrase Billy Joel ‘it’s all law breaking to me’
People on voter rolls doesn’t equate to voter fraud.
Just equates to poor data management which is never as easy as non-tech people claim it should be.
Finally, it was about damn time they prevented these illegals from voting in elections and illegally shifting the balance. Good on them, a victory for the masses.
I will take ‘Things That Never Happened’ for $500 Alex.
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So what are you worried about then?
Waste and people being removed from voting roles without need or purpose. Funny how conservative love waste when they think it benefits them.
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What waste? What are you talking about?
What you think these new requirements have no new cost? Interesting.
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Yes. It doesn’t cost anything to show ID.
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You know that when Democrats resort to complaining about penny ante expenses, they have no arguments left to make.
Not ID dummy, proof of citizenship….which an ID doesn’t do unless it is a Real ID which I already noted the extra time, cost, and complexity to implement and even then it wasn’t mandatory.
Do you think the exercise mentioned in this article is going to be done at no cost?
The guys to claim waste everywhere are happy to spend money to if they think it will improve their party’s power.
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YOU are the Dummy ;
REAL ID is absolutely not proof of citizenship.
You need to get your (deleted) straight before calling other people stupid.
You are right, Real ID isn’t proof of citizenship. I caught that mistake in later comments.
Do you think the government building the process to validate citizenship won’t cost the taxpayer money? Weird. The Real ID is a great example of how complex the process can be given it took how many years to implement the Real ID as an optional ID, not a required ID?
Ok professor I think it’s time for you to read what it says about a person illegally entering the US. It is a FEDERAL misdemeanor crime, it is not a civil matter. Maybe you need to hone up on your reading skills. It is a CRIME
Someone overstaying the visa or asylum claim, etc… is a civil OFFENSE. That accounts for an estimated 40% to 45% of undocumented immigrants in the US. They are collectively referred to as overstayers.
HR 2436 – Visa Overstays Penalties Act is trying to change that for specific scenarios but is not yet law.
Professor isn’t it true once you overstay your visa that you have broken the law. Asking for a friend
Currently a civil offense. Kinda like speeding. Do you call speeders criminals?
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Agreed, but non-citizens are not the same as illegal immigrants. Millions of Legal Resident Aliens live in the US, paying their taxes and keeping their noses clean, but are not allowed to vote here (rightly so). They’re not illegal.
If you decided to go live in England you wouldn’t expect to be able to vote in their elections as a US Citizen, would you?
Millions of undocumented immigrants live in the US, paying their taxes and keeping their noses clean. All while facing the lies of people like Austin with their bigotry who refer to millions of immigrants as pollution then tries to lie his way out of the statement when it is pointed out as clearly bigoted.
But you be you
Excuse me, but undocumented immigrants “keeping their noses clean”, isn’t that something like an oxymoron? “Illegal immigrants” have by definition have already broken US laws. So their noses were not clean from day one in the US.
Civil offense at most for majority of them…..you know, about as serious as a traffic ticket. Thinking they snuck in is not how many become undocumented. Many just over stay their paperwork.
The first lady worked illegally under her visa (a civil offense), you gonna deport her as a criminal?
Thank you! I wasn’t ever referring to the visa non-citizens, I was referring to the people who came into this country illegally, even if they are “keeping their nose clean.” They have no right to complain when they are deported because they broke the law by illegally entering this country and cutting the line. They entered ILLEGALLY, THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS AND ARE ACTIVELY VIOLATING THE LAW. They have no right to vote or have a say in our elections. Anyone who believes that someone who entered our nation illegally should be able to vote in this country or says that letting them vote doesn’t make a difference needs to check themselves because that is called being an idiot. I’m perfectly ok with the non-citizens with visas and proper documentation to be in the country, but they shouldn’t be able to vote, and most of these legal non-citizens are ok with it. If you think that its ok for illegal aliens to vote in elections, you need to get checked. The Professor probably thinks he’s the main character in a movie where he is the main character, and we are all Racist and the bad guys, SPOILER ALERT! He is not a main character in this fictional movie and is just a brainwashed hypocrite who says that anyone who has a slightly negative conversation with him is labeled a Nazi and a Bigot. He probably hangs out with Ruth near that church with her propaganda and her big ah fence to hide her hypocritical face. The Professor should really reevaluate his worldview because it is clear that this country is not fascist and we are not racists. Your labelling us makes you a hypocrite because you are literally the embodiment of what you are calling US.
Go speak to someone for help
No one thinks undocumented immigrants (or legal immigrants) should have the right to vote. We just don’t believe the lie that they are voting and that we need to make registering to vote even more difficult given we don’t have an issue with free and fair elections in the US.
The new attack by conservatives isn’t against minorities or low-income voters who tend to vote left, the new attack is against women who tend to vote left. The documentation to prove their married name ties back to their birth certificate is stupid and just a barrier to keep them from voting. Many conservative talking heads have stated they don’t believe women should have the right to vote. For example: Doug Wilson, Dale Partridge, Nick Fuentes, Andrew Tate, John Gibbs, Mark Robinson, and Pete Hegseth even shared a video featuring pastors from his church network who argued that women should not have the right to vote, adding the caption “All of Christ for all of life”.
Yup, they are saying the quite part out loud. They call it household voting….
Not complicated.
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Keep it up, buddy! You’ve become a caricature of yourself.
“Bigot!” “Racist!” Hater!” “Moron!”
“The Professor” has made himself a running joke. Except that his seething, vituperative hatred is real enough, sadly.
Angry little man.
More hypocrisy from Austin. Yawn
Professor aren’t ILLEGAL and UNDOCUMENTED pretty much the same thing. They did BREAK a LAW when they came into the USA ILLEGALLY, did they not. You say “civil offense” I say criminal offense. Isn’t a small criminal offense still breaking the law
People are undocumented for different reasons that have different levels of offense from a legal perspective. For example, if you overstay a visa, it is a civil offense. You call people that make civil offenses criminals? Interesting.
Yes professor I do call speeders criminals. The speed limit sign is the basis to receive a ticket once you receive that you have to pay a penalty or go to court and defend yourself. So yes Speeders are criminals
Weird. The US government doesn’t call speeders criminals except in the most extreme cases. They are called civil infractions, not criminal infractions. I guess you are just ‘special’ given that over 70% of Americans have had at least one speeing ticket by age fifty. Weird to consider that big of swath of the US population as ‘Criminals’.
Let me guess, you where the teachers pet that liked to rat on your classmates for the smallest infractions so you could sneer at them as they got in trouble?
But you be you.
Sorry to disappoint you but my High School claim to fame was having a chair in the principal’s office with my name on it. As far as the teachers pet comment I seem to remember someone in a previous post saying that about you, I’m betting that post about you was accurate
I figured it was either / or. Not shocked at all I was wrong. But the more important question, do you consider 70% of people over the age of 50 criminals just because they had a speeding ticket?
I don’t think that this article reports that illegals won’t be able to vote, in fact, the article states: “ State officials emphasized that the effort isn’t being driven by evidence of widespread fraud.
Election officials say they don’t have evidence suggesting that noncitizen registration or voting is a widespread problem in North Carolina. However, they also note that even a small number of ineligible voters can become an issue in a state where elections are often decided by narrow margins. Look at the Sam Page versus Phil Berger election if you want a local example of an important outcome determined by a handful of votes..
The board points to documented cases as justification for tightening verification procedures.
A State Board audit conducted after the 2016 general election found that 41 noncitizens with legal status cast ballots in that election. That election saw nearly 4.8 million votes cast statewide, meaning the number of identified cases represented a very small fraction of the total.”
They looked at a 2016 voting example to determine that illegals voting in our elections aren’t something that “they feel is an issue.” What a load of malarkey!
This system that will weed out illegal voting by comparing SSN’s to voting registration is a good system. The problem is that the Board of Elections in NC doesn’t see this as an issue, and I take that to mean that anyone who is registered to vote, illegal or not, isn’t going to be caught by a system that could stop the illegal vote! This is a HUGE PROBLEM! I know for a fact that when Biden ran for president, there was loads of evidence pointing at illegals voting, along with a “sudden appearance of lost ballots from the USPS, and other sketchy places” and all surprise, surprise, for Biden. Besides that, look at how many crowded DMV offices were packed to the “gills” with illegals getting drivers’ licenses up until ICE came through NC last fall. Suddenly, there’s no longer a wait to get a license or REAL ID! And despite what our governor says, it’s got NOTHING to do with his “great ideas” that explains no more crowded DMV offices!
The SAVE act will push more people out of voting due to the high burden of proving citizenship for many people (see other comments outlining that burden) to solve for a problem that doesn’t exist. THAT is the fraud here.
Sure we have close elections. And in those cases, we have recounts where every vote is scrutinized much more closely. Remember the hanging chad case from FL? It is illogical, unethical and a farce to make voting more difficult because of a non-statistically relevant risk of something that might maybe happen in the future that has never happened in the past.
What? Somebody is ACTUALLY listening to We the People? Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
As for Christian C Rice/Chris/professor/Polly Pocket/Sybil, I wasn’t aware there were millions of illegal aliens in North Carolina. I know there is a large number of LEGAL non-citizens here.
Is your tinfoil hat so tight you are struggling to read again? Or is it something more systemically wrong with you….?
I never said there were millions of illegal aliens in NC…….try again little man, the effort is appreciated. You can do it!!
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We all know you’re a rude, condescending, offensive little man, “Professor”. You don’t have to prove it with every comment you make.
That hypocrisy of yours is rich.
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Just read all the comments, buddy.
Here, and in every Comment Column you pollute.
Then take a look in the mirror – if you can bear it.
Somebody needs to look in the mirror for sure. It isn’t me.
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Funny how I get all the accolades and you get all the obloquy, isn’t it?
Could it just be the obvious conclusion – that you’re an ass**le ?
Ya think?
Funny how if anyone agrees with my thinking I am accused of ‘being them’….hence the tinfoil hat references to you nutters.
But be real Austin, you are posting bigoted anti-left comments on a site frequented by conservatives. not a big risk taker, are you?
But you be you. I don’t apologize for interrupting your little ‘safe space’ / echo chamber.
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You are on record as both denying and then admitting that you use several fake names in these columns.
You have been proven to be a liar in other instances also.
That is why you are despised. It’s your sly sophistry and dishonesty.
I receive accolades because my comments are true, and strike a chord. You suffer abuse because of your rudeness, condescension, arrogance and mendacity.
I have switched usernames which is very different than posting under different names. Sure, one or two times I used an obviously different name at an attempt at humor. I get your hate for me blinds you to the truth versus what you accuse me of doing but you be you. I love how my usernames gets you girls so worked up. Maybe I will change it yet again in the near future.
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You have just – grudgingly – admitted that you have commented under different fake names. You were outed, and so you seem no longer to be doing it.
And I never specifically identified your fake names except for “Rich Ellison”, which was obviously you, as you praised a comment you had made under another name.
The other guys realised your duplicity too, but went on to attribute various names to you, some of which I believe were incorrect.
You are a sly deceitful debater. That is clear.
Guess your tinfoil hat is too tight as well. Never used any other user name than the one I switched from and Conservative Translator. But you be you. It’s fun to watch you girls get into such a tizzy about who is who and who is and isn’t Professor.
Cheers.
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That’s a lie Christian, and you know it is. But you also know that I can’t prove it, so you’re sticking to it.
You are a chronic habitual deceiver.
Conspiracy Theory: a belief that an event or situation is secretly manipulated behind the scenes rather than occurring by chance or as officially reported. These theories often involve a secret plot, lack of evidence and reject mainstream explanations.
Hence my teasing about the tinfoil hat you girls are wearing over the theory I post under multiple names versus having just switch names. It’s fun.
41 out of 4.8 million. Another waste of my tax dollars!
Exactly. Funny how conservatives love to spend money on conspiracy theories but caring for and feeding children is too expensive.
Funnier thing Chris, there was a raid on a downtown bar a couple days ago. 12 people were arrested and over 150 charges were filed. My source from the GPD tell me everyone arrested are illegals. Another bunch of your criminal illegals. You need to read the story and maybe start a go fund me to help with their bail
Why? I never said undocumented people don’t commit crimes. Just that they do it at a lower rate than natural born citizens.
The article I found didn’t note the immigration statuses of the criminals. You claiming Americans aren’t drug dealers? Why didnt you share the news article about Kevin Johnson, the Greensboro fentanyl drug dealer who got 17 years? Weird you only seem to care about immigrants . Typical conservative BS.
The rate at which illegals commit crimes is not the point. The point is had the illegal not been in our country, the crime would not have been committed. There are too many crimes committed by US citizens, we don’t need illegals adding to the number. A crime committed in and of itself is bad enough, but there is the added expense to taxpayers for police, courts, and incarcerations. These expenses are at the local, state, and federal level.
All illegals need to be deported.
The one crime too many line ignores all the value the immigrants bring to our economy such as an increased workforce at a time when our birthrates are declining. Many immigrants fill hard to fill manual labor jobs. Every study has shown how immigration (even undocumented immigrants) have been a net positive to the economy.
Does that mean we allow open borders? Of course not. No democrat has proposed such a thing. Democrats believe in the importance of the law and our current law has a gapping loophole for asylum seekers that Democrats have tried to close using actual legal reform versus the Conservative approach that just ignores the law and does as they please at the border. Biden finally ignored the law and closed the border once it was validated that Conservatives didn’t want to actually fix the problem and declined to pass actual reform. It shouldn’t have required a President willful violation of the law to protect our border.
Yes, most undocumented people should be deported but not all. Those that have long contributed to the economy, have children that were born here, and have no criminal record deserve a path to legal status without being deported.
Democrats support deportation for those that cross the border illegally, but we require respect for the law that doesn’t allow illegal search, detainment and violence against legal residents of this country. The tactics used by ICE are as unamerican and unpatriotic as any other military State has ever used against its people. I bet you couldn’t prove your citizenship on the spot while out shopping for your family…..just because someone his Hispanic doesn’t give ICE the right to violate their rights.
But you be you.
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C’mon guys, give the Illegal Immigrants a break.
“Professor” assures us they’re a positive for the economy – they’re doing the jobs Americans won’t do :
Rape, murder, robbery, gang violence, drug trafficking…
Al offers a great example of the hateful lies told by conservatives to drive fear of immigrants, so conservatives have a boogeyman to justify the dismantling of the US Constitution and the individual rights that make the United State such a special form of government. The is a political tactic used by many failed governments of the past.
I will believe it when I see it. I doubt the State Elections Board will accomplish much of anything….but it sounds good.
ONLY LEGAL CITIZENS CAN VOTE! What a concept. This begs a question. Does requiring proof of citizenship mean or suggest that ILLEGAL ALIENS may have voted in previous elections? What you say??? This is heresy and FAKE NEWS!
I wonder how many people will be removed the voting rolls. dems say requiring proof of citizenship is racist. Why? Will removing ILLEGAL ALIENS from voting rolls cut down on people who vote for dems? dems are scared they will be exposed for the frauds they are.
TIME TO VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS FOR EVERY OFFICE FROM DOG CATCHER TO CITY, COUNTY, STATE AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS. Republicans are not perfect but at least they RESPECT YOUR VOTE, WILL WORK HARD TO KEEP YOU SAFE AND THOUGHTFULLY AND WISELY MANAGE THE WAY OUR MONEY IS SPENT.
What a pile of garbage. Republicans have no interest in free and fair elections. It’s why for the first time (other than court ordered) in US history, they started a redistricting war mid-cycle for fear of losing control of congress given Trump’s awful performance.
With Republicans in control, spending is up, deficit spending has increased, prices are up, we started yet another needless war, gas prices are up, allies no longer respect us, job growth is stalled, housing crisis continues, climate change is accelerating with no plan to address, we have ceded innovation and science to China and other foreign nations, 70% of American families live paycheck to paycheck, we promote conspiracy theories over public health science, inflation is up, etc.. etc.. etc.. which explains why Trump has the lowest approval rating of any US President in history.
But you be you.
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The Professor claims that “Republicans have no interest in free and fair elections”. Is that why they’ve blocked the NC Voter ID Constitutional Amendment, approved overwhelmingly by the voters of this state, about a decade ago?
Wait. That is actually the NC Democrat Party and the NAACP, isn’t it? THEY are terrified of clean elections – because dear Aunt Mamie (age 147) would be deprived of her right to vote !!
Multiple times
All unneeded given the lack of fraud in our elections. Just lies from the right….so they can make harder to vote for many people in NC.
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Hilarious !
The Professor is against Voter ID… because he says no-one’s voting fraudulently! Well if that’s the case, he should be IN FAVOUR of Voter ID to ensure that it never does happen.
But – of course – he’s dead set against Voter ID because he knows that his party uses voter fraud to corrupt elections and get Dems into power. They’ve been doing this at least since 1960, when Illinois swung the Presidential election in a nail biter for JFK.
And everyone knows they do it. The Left is corrupt to the core.
I am not really against voter ID but having to prove citizenship requires a great deal more paperwork. Look at how long it has taken to get the Real ID implemented and the backlog it took and that isn’t even a required ID.
Not complicated.
Chis is a one-sided charlatan. The Democratic Party has done much more of the bad things he claims the Republican Party did, when it’s actually the Democratic Party that is doing it, it just doesn’t line up with his narrative. The Democratic Party founded the KKK. They founded The Weatherman (a terrorist organization, mind you), instituted Jim Crow Laws, resegregated the federal workforce, and now, they label anyone who disagrees with them a Nazi and want them shot. You guys are fine having guns for yourself, but want them gone when you hear we have them. THE PROFESSOR IS THE DEFINITION OF “what’s mine is mine, but what’s yours is negotiable.” Your party has never in the HISTORY of the United States been the lesser of 2 evils. Based on what you say, you are the Nazi, and we have never been. Your party is fueled by hatred and you need to STOP!
Funny how you look back at history but ignore the present where the nazi flags are found at republican rallies….not democrats. Parties change a great deal over time. Classic misdirection from the right. But good for you for repeating white nationalist propaganda like a good little sheep.
Me, I will focus on solving the problems of today versus the problems that no longer exist from the past.
But you be you.
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It looks like the Nazi flags were bought and paid for by the Southern Poverty Law Center !
Pushing yet another lie of this administration? not shocked. Such a good sheep.
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The SPLC has been financing so called hate groups so they can fundraise off them.
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“Ooooh… scary racists in white hoods! Give us your money quick, so we can fight them!”
[ – “Here’s your money, Mister Grand Cyclops. Keep up the good work.” ]
They paid informants. Nothing more. They even shared the information with the FBI. But now that FBI has been politized, thelis seems like yet another attack on a left leaning organization by weaponizong the the federal courts.
Most likey yet another attack that goes nonwhere beyond the headlines once the courts see the lack of evidence I assume. Been a common trend of this administrstion….losing court cases.
When, tell me, professor, is redistricting justified due to a president’s performance as you state?
Redistricting has always been done after a census or when a court determines districts are illegal. Redistricting should never be tied to one party’s fear of elections due to a president performance.
Not complicated.
Isn’t that what Virginia just did because they are afraid of President Trump
Virginia governor celebrates the “yes” vote to redistrict the state. The “yes” map was redrawn before the November election to gain House seats to thwart Trump’s goals.
I cannot mentally process why the Democrat party has become so evil, so willing to change America to become a country unrecognizable from our past. America was not founded by immigrants. America was founded by settlers; settlers who were so successful that others wanted to join our success. And that worked fine until the immigrants coming now are coming to take advantage of our success not to contribute. The fabric of America is unraveling, and I hold Democrats mostly responsible.
You can’t ‘mentally process’ why democrats responded directly to Trump’s stated plan for ‘Red’ states to redistrict midterms for the very clearly stated reason for Conservatives to not lose the majority in congress given his poor approval numbers? Wow. Not a hard one to understand Termlimits. But you be you.
Interesting spin to call settlers immigrants. And what about the millions of immigrants who came to the US from Europe in the mid-1800s (Great Famine in Ireland), or late-1800s as steamship made travel cheaper, or the early 1900s when 20 million immigrants arrived from Italy, Russia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
To claim the US isn’t a country founded by immigrants is a moronic re-writing of US history. Heck, we have a statue in NYC harbor celebrating that FACT.
But you be you.
One who doesn’t pay attention to the past is doomed to repeat it, Professor.
More to the point….fools ignore the present because the past was different.
But you be you.
dang libs dumb as rocks. this policy is a no brainer.
Praise Skip!
I think it’s time for you to get your little water bowl and go wash skips feet and while you’re down there go ahead and kiss his butt
all registered voters move to check the citizenship of the state elections board. eg gerrymandering, campaign contribution sources, nepotism, cronyism, sectarianism, vegetarianism
Well it’s about damn time!! They need to make sure we have election integrity in north carolina. I don’t understand why it has taken them so long to do this. We know illegals are voting in our elections. They have no right! They are not United States citizens and they should not be allowed to vote. The Catholic churches should not be allowed to issue IDs to illegals. ID’s that they are using to vote! The only way anyone should be able to vote is by using a government issued ID proving you are a American citizen! The demonrats bring these illegals over here and give them all kinds of freebies just to garner their vote. And like idiots, the illegals vote for them. It doesn’t matter that they are illegally voting. They will do whatever it takes to keep the freebies coming. I was at DMV and an illegal came up to me and offered me $500 if I would let him use my address. I said no way no how! Him and four others were walking around offering money to people to use their addresses so they could get fake identification. They had a list of social security numbers and God only knows where they got those from. Probably a Democrat! I called the police. I highly doubt anything was done about it. Because they are protected by people like Skip Alston and the mayor at the time, Nancy Vaughn. Our Democrat leaders are corrupt and everybody in Greensboro knows it. Everybody in Guilford County knows it. They are as corrupt as they come and they could care less about voter integrity. They want these illegals here. Because they want their votes. So they give them free housing, free food, free medical care. Free furniture, free clothing. And don’t know nobody dare tell me that’s not true because I know first hand is true. They get vouchers to go into a furniture store to get free furniture. They get vouchers to go to clothing stores. They go to food banks and get welfare. They get medicaid. We don’t even give that stuff to our homeless veterans. It ain’t right. ICE needs to come here and get rid of all the illegals. If they want to come here the right way, fine and dandy. But if you going to cross our borders illegally, then you’re a freaking criminal and you don’t have any rights at all! And you shouldn’t be entitled to any.
What evidence do you have Pat, that immigrants are voting in our elections? Other than a bunch of fear mongering statements from Trump and MAGA types, I have never seen any evidence of this being an issue warranting the need for more complexity in voting….unless you are one of those claiming that Real ID was ‘no big deal’ even though it took over 5 years to get everyone one who wanted one (not everyone mind you).
Note your driver’s license doesn’t prove you are a US citizen. Even the NC REAL ID doesn’t prove you are a US Citizen. Yes, immigrants can obtain a NC REAL ID. Only about a 1/3 of people in the US have a passport which is the only document that prove citizen other than an actual birth certificate assuming you were born in the US. But be careful if you got married and changed your name, because they you need to carry around your marriage certificate and change of name paperwork too.
Given all your hate for ‘illegal immigrants’. What have they ever done to you? They don’t receive governmental benefits so they aren’t wasting tax money, most work and pay taxes, they commit less crime than natural born citizen, etc…. What have they done to make YOUR life worse? Just curious.
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Are you the same guy who also goes by “Professor” ?
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…because your comment was submitted just 12 minutes after his.
C’mon buddy, come clean, and use a single name so we all know who we’re dealing with. Don’t be sly and sneaky.
Illegals receive free emergency hospital treatment; children born to illegals in the US receive SNAP and Medicaid; on the state level, local funds pay for a variety of benefits; money transfers by illegals back to their home countries cost the US billions of dollars annually by taking the money out of circulation in the US; not to mentions the cost of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. So, Chris, illegals cost US citizens a lot of money.
One of the biggest advocates of illegals is the Chamber of Commerce. Ask yourself, who does the Chamber stand for?
Children born in the US are citizens no matter how much conservatives want to ignore the US Constitution. Every study has said the same thing, undocumented immigrants have a long-term positive impact on the community. Period.
I understand you don’t care about the actual impact of immigrants on our economy and there are certainly limits to how many we can take in in a given year but conservatives refused to pass actual legislations that would have gone a long way to fix the problems. Conservatives don’t care about the law and don’t hold this administration accountable as they ignore the law and just close the border to all immigrants and ignore all asylum requests instead actually fixing the law that Biden followed that allowed so many into the US under asylum requests that take years to work through.
But you be you.
Bout time
It is encouraging to see the state taking a measured, structured approach to improving the accuracy of voter rolls. Ensuring that only eligible citizens vote is a basic expectation in any election system, and using tools like the SAVE database with multiple layers of review and due process is a step in the right direction.
At the same time, the safeguards outlined here are just as important. Giving individuals notice and the opportunity to respond helps protect lawful voters from being incorrectly removed, which is essential for maintaining public confidence.
Looking ahead, continued attention should also be given to other areas that raise questions for many voters, such as outdated records, deceased individuals remaining on rolls, or registrations across multiple states. Addressing those issues transparently and consistently would go a long way toward strengthening trust in the overall system.
In close elections, even small discrepancies matter. Efforts like this, if carried out carefully and fairly, can help reinforce both the integrity of the process and the confidence of the public.
Audits by state officials and studies from nonpartisan (even conservative groups) have found voter fraud by noncitizens is, as one organization described it, ‘exceedingly rare”. In fact, audits by several states show that there have been small numbers of noncitizens who registered to vote, often by mistake, with far fewer casting ballots.
For example, while a 2022 Georgia investigation found there were 1,634 incidents of noncitizens potentially attempting to register to vote between 1997 and 2022, these individuals were all blocked until they could provide proof of citizenship (if they had been naturalized for example).
This is just a scare tactic by Conservatives to justify making it more difficult for people to vote. Look how long it has taken to enact the Real ID (which isn’t even itself a valid proof of citizenship), because of all the paperwork required for many people to provide all the documentation required to be approved for the new ID.
States have very strong audit and controls in place to validate elections and have a long track record of success until Trump lost a fair and legal election and cried liked a little baby about it and used his loss as yet another fear mongering tactic to rial up his bigoted base with his false claims of mass voter fraud.
Trump figured out that it was no longer ‘popular politics’ to be pro-white nationalist, so he leveraged the bigotry of rural America by making a false enemy of immigrants of color. Many who are hardworking, tax paying people who have been here for decades. It is a legacy that will stain your Party for a long time to come.
But you be you.
professor, having safe elections should be the goal of every US citizen. By safe, I mean only citizens vote and decide who represents us. Take away the illegal voting argument for passing the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act. Why wouldn’t every American advocate for safe elections. The argument for passing the Save Act has gotten bogged down and focuses on illegal immigrants voting. Just ask yourself is having election outcomes that Americans can trust and believe in so important that passing the Save Act is worth passing in Congress?
Only citizens vote today. Conservatives are openly trying to make registration to vote more complicated to fix a problem they know isn’t real. The goal is to limit access to voting to women and low-income inner-city communities. Period.
I guarantee if you were stopped on the street, you could not legally prove you were a citizen of the United States. Pretending that adding this requirement for additional paperwork isn’t a burden for many people such as married women who changed their names is BS.
The only risk to our elections is MAGA sheep believing Trumps lies about mass election fraud that never happened. If you believe the election was stolen due to mass fraud show many any evidence that 2020 election was ‘stolen’ or show me any evidence that undocumented or document immigrants vote in US elections illegally. Hint, you can’t because it didn’t and has never happened. Only a fool believes Trump’s stolen elections lies after years of his failure to prove any fraud in our election system.
Are you a fool Termlimits? Or just a MAGA sheep who supports anything his dear leader commands without any evidence or critical thinking of your own?
Why do you say the SAVE act is a hurdle to women specifically
Great question Will. Thanks for asking.
The proof of citizenship requirements presents a greater challenge for women compared to men, primarily due to the high frequency of name changes following marriage or divorce, which creates discrepancies between birth certificates and current legal identities. While men often retain their original names, roughly 84% of American women change their surnames upon marriage, leading to situations where their legal documents do not match their birth documentation.
THE SAVE act will not recognize marriage certificate or divorce degrees as sufficient evidence of name change. This requires women to obtain extra documentation to link their birth certificate to their current identity.
Obtaining this documentation can be costly and time-consuming process. There requirements create significant hurdles, particularly for elderly women, rural residents and low-income voters who may have more difficulty access vital records.
Hope this helps.
Please explain how a citizen question “limits access to voting to women and low-income inner-city communities.”
As far as proof of citizenship under the SAVE act, a form signed at voting time could have the question of citizenship with a warning that lying on the form is a felony. No physical proof of citizenship just a requirement of citizenship attested to by signing a statement.
There should be a return to one day voting. But the voting process should be made as easy as possible; multiple voting locations with short wait times, and as many pole judges as needed to keep things moving. Federal election day should be a federal holiday.
professor, your protestations lately show exposed raw nerves. Are you losing your debating touch? It doesn’t matter; you remain entitled to your opinions regardless how progressive and unpersuasive.
Citizen question? That already exists for registring to vote is no big deal….having to ‘prove you are a citizen’ is more complicated. The SAVE act being pushed is requiring proof of citizenship. THAT is what I am referring to. The current process works fine and showing a valid ID is not THAT big of a hurdle….but….thr SAVE Act will serverly limit who can vote….especially women, low income and elderly people. Not to mention foreign nationals. Why?
Proving citizenship can be difficult because it relies on a specific chain of documentation that isn’t always easily accessible or perfectly maintained. The challenges often differ depending on whether someone is a native-born citizen or seeking naturalization.
1. Issues with Birth Records (Native-Born)
- While a birth certificate is the standard proof of citizenship, it is not always a foolproof document.
- Delayed or Missing Records: Individuals born at home, in rural areas, or before hospital births were standardized (common among the elderly) may lack a formal birth certificate.
- Strict Criteria: Laws like the SAVE America Act require birth certificates to meet specific standards, such as containing an authorized official’s signature and being filed within a certain timeframe after birth. “Delayed” birth certificates (filed more than a year after birth) often require additional “early public records” (like baptismal certificates or hospital footprints) to be accepted.
- Administrative Errors: Misspelled names, incorrect birth dates, or missing parental information on the original filing can lead to a document being rejected for official purposes like passport applications.
2. High Financial and Administrative Barriers
- The process of proving or obtaining citizenship involves significant logistical hurdles.
- The “Paperwork Maze”: Proving “derivative” citizenship (citizenship passed from a parent to a child born abroad) requires an extensive paper trail, including the parents’ marriage certificates, proof of the parents’ physical presence in the U.S., and foreign birth records.
Costs: Replacing a lost Naturalization Certificate or obtaining a U.S. passport is expensive. Fees for Form N-565 (to replace a citizenship document) can cost hundreds of dollars, which is a significant barrier for low-income individuals.
- Loss of Documents: Individuals who have experienced housing instability, natural disasters, or frequent moves are at a higher risk of losing the original physical documents required for proof.
3. Naturalization Obstacles
– For those not born citizens, the path to proving eligibility is rigorous and complex.
- Continuous Residence: Applicants must meticulously document every trip taken outside the U.S. to prove they haven’t broken “continuous residency” requirements. Missing a single entry/exit date in a travel log can lead to delays.
- Complex Legal Language: Navigating forms like the N-400 requires a high level of English proficiency and an understanding of legal terminology. Small errors—like a missing signature or an incorrectly formatted date—can result in an application being denied.
- Background and “Good Moral Character”: Proving citizenship eligibility requires passing extensive background checks. Minor criminal records or even certain financial issues can be interpreted as a lack of “good moral character,” complicating the approval process.
4. Vulnerable Populations
- Specific groups are statistically less likely to have the necessary documents “ready to go”:
- The Elderly: May have lost documents over decades or were born before strict record-keeping.
- College Students: Often live away from home without access to their original vital records.
- Low-Income Individuals: Less likely to have a passport and more likely to struggle with the fees and travel required to visit government offices for replacements.
The challenges people faced just to get the Real ID is the best example. It took years and even then only 55% to 60% of people have conolet3d the process.
Hope that helps.
Professor, my point is this, the Save Act could require citizenship. But there would be no physical proof needed at the poles to vote. The voter would be required to sign a form attesting to citizenship. Lying on the form would be a felony with no statute of limitation, with heavy fines and serious punishment, if convicted. That would be a deterrent to lying. The poles could have printed signs warning voters that they must be a US citizen to vote and must sign a form attesting to citizenship.
As far as a Real ID, I found it easy and straight forward. I read that one of the reasons that not all people have a Real ID is due to failure to simply get one, not because of an obstacle.
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The suggestion TermLimits has made is sensible, correct, and would cost absolutely nothing. And there’s something you all are overlooking.
On a NC Drivers License under the Restrictions Line, a non-citizen has the annotation – *9 –
This means the individual is NOT a citizen.
So just by requiring ID, it would prevent a lot of non-citizens from voting in US elections.
Not complicated. Not costly.
Simple.
I did not know about *9. Thanks. Learn something new every day.
49 states already require a voter to attest to being a US Citizen to register to vote. But sure more signs and whatever is fine. BUT, that isn’t what the SAVE act that has passed the House is requiring.
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Yep. I still have that notation on my NCDL.
It has never caused any problems. I am and always have been legal, even as a British Citizen lawfully residing in the US.
I went and looked up the Non-Citizen annotation since it is well understood you do NOT have to prove citizenship to receive a NC drives license.
Non-Citizens with limited duration status have the annotation you mention but not all non-citizens have that annotation. Not all non-citizens will have the “Legal Presence” annotation on their license. It is typically not included for: Lawful Permanent Residents (Green Card holders) who also have Social Security cards or Certain refugees and individuals granted asylum.
The purpose of the annotation is not to validate citizenship but to note that the license holder is not necessarily licensed for the standard 8-year term for permeant residents.
So, I think you are incorrect that this annotation would be sufficient for voting for the same reason that drivers license in general is not sufficient for the requirements being pushed for the SAVE act.
Hope that helps.
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No, your comment is confused and contradictory.
Not all non-citizens have the annotation you mentioned. Not complicated.
Could?
The SAVE act is an actual law that has already passed the HOUSE and it requires proof of citizenship that would be a great burden on far too many voters to justify the very limited benefit it would offer.
I am happy you had an easy time with REAL ID. It was easy for me as well because I have a valid passport. But considering the challenges I noted above, how many people is acceptable that they be cut off from voting due to technical paperwork issues to justify the minimal impact of the law?
Given how few cases there are of actual immigrants voting, I suggest that number is zero. What do you think is acceptable? And how would you feel if you were one of those unlucky people?
I used the word “could” because the law has not passed yet. The SAVE act may eventually pass into law. But the administration will be up to the states. My suggestion was based on having NC in mind. The administration could be simple and straight forward.
professor, what about the illegal school superintendent in a mid-west state, Iowa, I believe, who not only voted but duped employers for years into hiring him. I believe DEI contributed to this failing.
The SAVE act will become more critical in the future if states continue to undermine the Electoral College as Virginia recently did.
Does that mean you don’t support the SAVE act? I can certainly agree and support the idea of more signs, signatures and testaments to citizenship.
The illegal school superintendent is a great example of how it can at times be difficult to identify actual proof of citizenship. The I-9 process just proves you are who you say you are and links your identity to your SSN I believe. And non-citizens can have SSN numbers if they have work authorization.
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I’m not going to take the time to disprove all the untruths in the Professor’s rant, but I’ll take the a moment to explicitly refute one thing.
The N-400 Application for Naturalization is easy-peasy, requiring just elementary English proficiency. And it does NOT require any knowledge of obscure legalese, or the help of a lawyer.
I know. I filled it out last year. Myself.
Just another lie from the chronic deceiver… the “Professor”.
I suspect professor relies on People’s World too much for his information.
I suspect Austin only views issues from her personal perspective and ignores the perspective of others. N-400 for naturalization isn’t the most complex part of immigrating to the United States and is only the final step in obtaining US citizenship. The real challenge is legal work authorization but to address why N-400 isn’t as easy for everyone as it was for Mr. Morris:
– the fee is over $700 which can be a lot for someone working minimum wage, but sure clearly an investment worth prioritizing.
– Any document not in English (birth certificates, marriage licenses, police records) must have certified translation. For applicants with many international documents, this adds hundreds of dollars in extra cost.
– Applicants must list every trip outside the US for the prior 5 years. People from neighboring countries like Mexico or Canada may have many short trips that are difficult and time-consulting to document accurately.
But key is that while naturalization is a uniform process, getting the green card in the first place varies wildly. For example, employment-based green card applications from India or China often face backlogs lasting decades due to per-country caps. Or application from countries with strained US relations or ongoing conflicts face more intensive security screenings, leading to longer processing times.
And yes, while a lawyer is not legally required for either green card or naturalization, their help can be invaluable depending on the complexity of the immigrant’s background. There are a range of scenarios where an attorney is highly recommended such as those that spent more than six months traveling outside US after obtaining a green card, or if you had a past denial for a visa or green card, etc…
Hope that helps give a wider perspective than the single example of Mr Morris’s experience.
Best wishes.
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My God, this guy never stops with his deceptions, does he? Oh, he’s smart and sly in how he does it, but if someone really, really knows the subject matter they can see through his disingenuous lies right away. Here’s an example just taken from his most recent comment, and the first point he made:
He complains that the fee to apply is over $700 (true in itself), but he fails to mention that the forms clearly state that the fee is cut in half for people with a low income.
So his claim that people on minimum wage can’t afford it is incorrect on several fronts, and fails to tell the whole truth.
This is what he does ALL THE TIME.
He is a deceiver.
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You don’t know what you’re talking about.
You lecture me, who’s actually gone through the process of immigrating, as if you know more about it than I do.
It’s like when you lecture me about crime statistics in the UK when I was a kid, and actually grew up in that society.
You’re full of (deleted). You get your ersatz expertise from AI and the studies and data you revere so much – not from the real world.
You’re a wanker. Why don’t you Google that?
I also noted that it was worth the effort to save us, so clearly not the most burdensome requirement such the several other issues I noted.
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You’re also confusing Citizenship with LPR Status (Legal Permanent Resident).
This is what happens when an ignorant but pretentious person tries to appear educated on an issue about which he knows nothing.
Ten minutes spent checking A.I. or Google doesn’t make you an expert on anything – just a pompous prick who likes to grandstand.
Got that, “Professor” ?
I am not confusing them; I am simply discussing them both as you can’t have citizenship without first obtaining Legal Residency Status. Got that?
Citizenship isn’t an event. It’s a journey. A journey that is more difficult for some than others.
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Don’t lecture me about immigration and citizenship, buddy.
Unlike you, I know what I’m talking about.
LOL, the process isn’t a secret. It is well documented online. Funny thing for you to claim domain over.
But you be you.
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I claim that you don’t know what you’re talking about – because you don’t.
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You reckon that you know everything about a subject after five minutes on the internet.
You’re an idiot.
Then point out what i got wrong instead of yet another Ad Hominem.
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Easy. Don’t even have to wade through your crap.
You claim that becoming a citizen is prohibitively difficult, if onlt because of the cost. Yhe cost is $760 – or half that for most people on moderate incomes.
And the fee is waived entirely for the indigent.
You like to present only part of the story, whatever part tends to support your argument.
But you never tell the whole truth. You’re sly. You’re a deceiver.
I already replied to this noting that it is worth saving for…but to humor your assumption on what is easy to afford….
They use the 150% of poverty level which is 24k. Even above that with the 50% discount, people living paycheck to paycheck, anything over a $100 dollars is not easy. But as i noted more than once, it is worth saving up for…
I continue confident in my understanding and representation of the process. Note that the other requirements can be far more burdensome which I also noted. Want to discuss those?
letz put all discussion & voting on the internet. we r not using our tech
There are some things in life that require a human presence, voting is one of them.
I trust the internet less and less as AI and bots seem to drive so much its content and traffic. Buyer beware.
Voting online would be a disaster without question.
is shopping (voting) online with delivery a ‘disaster’ ? info @ fingertips then ‘the choice’ button tap dun
add ‘get togethers’ where online policy formers & current office holders ‘meet & greet’ & may exchange real names, bio etc. everyone could easily discuss & vote anywhere anytime on anything sans TRAVEL sans APPOINTMENT. illegal voting is not the problem – NOT voting (caring) is
add ‘get togethers’ where online policy formers & current office holders ‘meet & greet’ & may exchange real names, bio etc. everyone could easily discuss & vote anywhere anytime on anything ONLINE everything instantly archived accessible sans TRAVEL sans MEETING sans SEXUAL DIMORPHISM, BULLYING etc. illegal voting is not the problem – NOT voting (caring) is. it will < the ability of minorities to disrupt