There was a big meeting of the minds on Monday, July 8 to decide how to handle many of the problems that have been emanating from the Interactive Resource Center in downtown Greensboro. The Center, which acts as a place where the homeless can get a shower, check email or escape from the heat of the day, is not a homeless shelter – there are no beds for sleeping.
However, the Center draws in a mass of homeless people each day and the actions of some have been highly troubling to business owners and residents who live in the area.
In the two-and-a-half-hour meeting held on the afternoon of July 8, Greensboro Mayor Nancy Vaughan, Chairman of the Guilford County Board of Commissioners Skip Alston, other City Council members and county commissioners – met with downtown stakeholders as well as with representatives of the Guilford County Sheriff’s Office and the Greensboro Police Department.
In fact, both of those law enforcement agencies brought a relatively large contingent of deputies and officers to the meeting, and it was important that they be there because it sounds as though increasing patrols of the Interactive Resource Center and the surrounding area is one of the ways the city and the county intend to deal with the problems.
That was just one of several solutions discussed that afternoon.
The Center does hire private security, though those are unarmed officers and, at the meeting, Guilford County Sheriff Danny Rogers said it was important to have officers there with more authority and training than, in Roger’s words, a “Rent-a-cop.”
Mayor Vaughan said she did believe that it would be more effective to have armed, uniformed officers play more of a role in security because sometimes Interactive Resource Center users don’t show enough respect to the private security guards whose powers are limited.
Vaughan said more security was just one of the potential solutions discussed at the Monday afternoon meeting. According to the mayor, the Center has been inundated with users in recent months and one part of the solution may be other community organizations “stepping up” operations and providing services that keep people from becoming homeless in the first place. That will therefore keep them from ending up at the downtown Center.
Vaughan said the meeting was very productive.
“I think the right people were in the room,” she said after the meeting. “I think it went well.”
“I can’t say we solved the whole thing in one meeting,” she said, but the mayor added that the dialogue was productive and she expects some upcoming actions will help the situation.
Recently, many business owners and residents who live near the center have been complaining greatly about things like panhandlers who are somewhat threatening, homeless people sitting on the steps in front of their businesses and dangerous-looking men peering suspiciously into parked cars behind buildings.
Vaughan said that while there are actions that can be taken to help remedy the situation, one solution some have suggested is off the table.
“Closing the IRC is not an option,” the mayor said, adding that some people had proposed that.
The center, which used to be a day center, is now open night hours as well – though it does close down completely in the wee hours of the morning for a thorough cleaning.
Vaughan said she and Alston are continuing talks along with the others involved.
One idea proposed at the meeting is expanding the city’s palette housing program – those are temporary pop-up small climate-controlled housing units for the homeless. That’s one move that could take some pressure off the IRC.
Chairman Alston, who called the meeting after seeing numerous complaints from businesses and residents in the area – as well as seeing some photos of some concerning activity – said the complaints were coming in so hot and heavy that he felt all the important players needed to get together in one room and try to come up with solutions.
According to Vaughan, the Community Foundation of Greater Greensboro and its president, Walker Sanders, may play a role in the solution as well going forward by convening the Continuum of Care – the planning body in Guilford County that coordinates the community’s strategies and activities when it comes to ending homelessness. Vaughan said that she thought having a “non-political” entity take that role might be helpful.
Alston said he was pleased to see the large number of law enforcement officers who attended the meeting; the county sheriff was there with about 10 of his deputies and the police chief attended with about a half dozen officers.
Like Vaughan, Alston believes that more “real cops” need to have a greater presence at the Center, perhaps even a constant and permanent presence.
The Deadbeat Daycare Center sure is a big problem (honest names are better).
If they eliminated the center, there’d be no place for them to sleep, poop on the property, drink booze with their friends, etc. Problem solved. And just what is the term “interactive resource” supposed to be anyway. . .a place for homeless to hang out?
If the “do-gooders” of Greensboro want to help these people, why not have them offer room at their homes. Of course, you no that won’t happen.
Then again, wait until the city creates a Director of Interactive Resources (my guess a DEI hire?) and will be paid over $100,000 a year. See how this works?
The argument of ‘just bring them into the homes of the ‘Do Gooders’ is a typical conservative argument that ignores the role of the government to provide services for the common good of the community. (lately I am not sure what conservatives view as the value of a central local government other than locking up people in prison).
But I will give a rationale response to a hateful ignorant statement from Joe.
The common good here is as Joe mentions, keeping homeless people from being forced to poop in public for example. Of course, IRC provides much more than just a place to poop. The provide physical and mental health services, counseling to help those that are able to get work and regain independence etc…
Why do this in a centralized location versus the individual homes of ‘Do Gooders’. One is cost efficiency. having a centralized location is also easier for homeless to access. Lastly, special training and skills are required to work with the diverse human issues that lead to homelessness.
This is the exact type of common good service that government can provide it’s community.
But you be you.
From reading your comment, my impression is you believe the IRC’s most important function is to provide a place for the homeless to gather. What is the actual reason for each homeless to be without family or their own shelter? Seriously interview each one and record their response. The problem with government is the government’s lack of demanding something in return for benefits granted. The taxpayers are paying for the IRC building, personnel resources, security, police responding to calls, and medical expenses including EMS and hospital/medical treatment. All of these paid for by taxpayers. It is not the responsibility of governments to oversee fixing all societal ills. Individual responsibility makes society function. When a government takes that role, we will all eventually become villeins bound to the government overlord. Vaughn and Alston have no plan to fix the problem because they have no idea how to fix the problem. Using onsite police officers is costly to taxpayers and will not fix the problem. Vaughn and Alston are not problem solvers. Throwing taxpayer money at a problem will not fix it.
A meeting of the minds….I believe these minds made this snafu of a mess. Thanks to them, Greensboro is now the hub for homelessness. They have been invited and they accepted the invite. Now what? Screw the citizens for more tax dollars?
What happened to the hotel on 29 that the city purchased? Kennedy got her money and ran? Council got a cut ?
Hey Danny, Skip, and Nancy…
You didn’t seem to mind paying the lower rate for those ‘Rent-A-Cops’ (that’s what I call a real professional sign of respect there Danny) and leave them in what could be dangerous situations with no way to defend themselves.
The question I have is how long will you be providing security for this place before you have to ‘reduce coverage’ because of personnel issues.
My money is 6 months to a year MAX.
Maybe Danny can take the Homeless to his Cigar Bar on Battleground (Havanna Phils) for a good cigar and some liquor to calm their nerves, in his County vehicle. Hey, it works for him (see photos on Facebook). So as Danny says “Booze it and Loose it” he should go ahead and resign, if not Skip should go ahead and ask Danny to step down, before it gets more embarrassing.
Would it be beneficial to have the recipients of the facility AND those who make the mess work to pay for their benefits, and clean their own messes like the taxpayers who work to pay for many of their free services. This will also teach them skills to get their own paying job.
Too logical. . . .they’ll get liberal pro-bono attorneys to file suit against the city and county for discrimination.
I need to find the article on the guy who attempted to live a homeless life style for a period of a month. His biggest learning was how much time is required to just receive basic support srvices. Waiting for busses, waiting in line at social services, waiting for access to services such as offered at this location, etc… Even if sober and mentally healthy, it was much more effort than a 12 hour day to just receive those basic services because those services are spread out around town and walking and busses are not the fastest modes of transportation. So I suspect the healthy homeless might be interested in working for sure. It’s called having a job and a living wage. Problem is getting the tools needed to find a job (phone, internet, enail, etc….) so I agree it is a great idea to offer homeless people jobs for wages they can use to get back in their feet. For the drug addicts and mentally ill, seems most commenters think offering help is bad. You know, like the good Christians they claim yo be.
Just my 2 cents.
It’s not that offering help is bad; it’s that some people can’t be helped.
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And I ask you not to disparage the Christian faith of others, people about whom you know nothing.
It’s very un-Christian of you, Christian.
Your comment is the perfect example of the un-Christian view. The Christian way to consider your point of view is that some people are much harder to help for reasons that are often difficult to ‘see’ or understand, but all people are worth saving.
One of the testimonial videos on the IRC is a great example of this….check em out. The link is below one of my other comments.
I believe it is important for all Christians to challenge each other to live stronger in their faith. I accept I can use a better tone when criticizing conservative hypocrisy for example. It isn’t as fun, but it is the right thing to do.
But you be you (and I will be me)
I did not presume to challenge the Christian faith of others.
You did.
All your self-serving verbose rationalization doesn’t change that.
I agree more Police patrol in the neighborhood is needed as well at the Interactive Resource Center. I walks through the area going to work and it is challenging…
Watch them just throw more money at the problem and hope it goes away!!!
I think these folks are doing all they can with the resources they have. I think it is the people who say, ‘not with my tax dollars’, or ‘make em work for any help they get’ are the ones just hoping the problem will magically goes away.
The center is actually trying to make it easier for those that want work to get off the streets (internet access for example). The challenge I assume are the drug addicts and mentally ill that really need far more comprehensive services such a rehab and mental health care. Until THOSE problems are solved, the homeless crowds will continue to ugly places to be around.
Hopefully some of the opioid settlement money will trickle down to all the people it actually harmed.
Dang Chris you have a farm and you won’t take ILLEGALS because you can’t speak the language I’ll b et you can converse with these people grab up a half dozen or more pit them to work on your “farm” with housing food phone internet and medical care. Put your money where your mouth is
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!!!!!!
My farm is mostly livestock and a large hobby vegetable garden as an attempt to rely less on processed foods so am able to management mostly on my own. I have a livestock tender that watches the animals when wife and I are out of town. But thank you for the suggestion.
One of my bird hunting friends hires, at the peak, over 200 migrant laborers for his family farms. All documented and managed to strict standards of the state and federal guidelines (which drive him nuts). Without them, he would be unable to harvest.
But you be you.
“One of my bird hunting friends hires, at the peak, over 200 migrant laborers for his family farms. All documented and managed to strict standards of the state and federal guidelines…”
The key phrase there is “All documented and managed to strict standards of the state and federal guidelines…” In other words he’s following the law, unlike what Chris advocates.
Very interesting.
No wonder it is a cluster! They still have the chick who was arrested for stealing candy from Taget running the place.
Shoplifting candy?
Even the people running it are L.M.F. (Low Moral Fibre – an old Royal Air Force term for [deleted] people).
my military term: NUB – non-useful body. then there are NOBS ask a navy officer what that means.
Panhandling is legal protected speech no matter how many times our Mandate Mayor tried to trample the first amendment. Sitting or sleeping in public is legal as well unless someone is trespassing.
Homelessness is a real issue but understaffed police being stretched even thinner is a tiny band-aid that will lead to arrests and abuse of a vulnerable group of folks.
This is about gentrification and demonizing those with severe mental and substance abuse issues to appease the donor class. For shame our leaders would rather throw money at their friends nonprofits and Opera Houses than real solution oriented work.
Notice the comments by politicians in the post and you come to conclude the arrogance and condescension of those politicians: Danny Rogers, “Rent-a-cop” describing private security; Skip Alston, “all the important players needed to get together,” describing his own perceived self-importance; Nancy Vaughn, “keep them (homeless) from ending up at the downtown Center,) shows her contempt for the homeless and her concern for optics. Politicians promoted defund the police, and now those same politicians want to send police to monitor the IRC. Vaughn and Alston want to use taxpayer money for the police to babysit a homeless location while police should be used in more important duties, for example, keeping all of Greensboro safe. The simple truth is that the politicians have no idea how to solve or mitigate the problem. The problem and the solution start with the homeless themselves, not providing more shelter or spending taxpayer money to protect the public at-large and the immediate area around the IRC. Alston and Vaughn want the problem to just go away so the complaints and phone calls from constituents will stop. Afterall, Alston needs to spend more time trying to find a way to convince taxpayers to give him more tax money to waste. Vote NO in November.
Alston is actually a key player as he is chair of the commissions who hold the purse strings
While I am not a big fan of Alston’s, he is doing what leaders do, pull together the appropriate experts on a subject versus making unilateral statements. I do fully understand how Trumpers think the leader makes all decisions…but that is because they have conned to think a leader is an autocrat or dictator.
Not complicated.
A thought just came to me…hey Skippy, how about letting us taxpayers know exactly how much we spent to send you and your cronies on a junket (read taxpayer funded vacation) to Florida.
If you really care, just make a request under the freedom of information act. Bet you don’t.
Firstly, the Freedom of Information Act is for requests for federal information. For local and state of NC, it is called Request for Records. Secondly, a Request for Records sounds all warm and fuzzy. However, there can be pretexts used to deny a request.
Thank you for the correction on terminology.
Just a reminder Chrissy…they work for US. I shouldn’t have to go thru THEIR lackeys to get a basic simple question I asked as to what they are doing with OUR tax money.
Unless they have something to hide, which I’m relatively sure they do, a VOTER asks a question, THEY should answer without trying to hide.
You live in a weird little world. You haven’t even asked for the information and you complain about not receiving the information. Just an angry little man with a big mustache.
For those that really care, take a look at the center’s website. It shares several stories of people helped off the streets by the services offered at the center. Helps give at least a very small perspective on all the good that comes from the center regardless of the issues it is causing the surrounding areas.
I hope they keep up the good work and grow.
https://www.interactiveresourcecenter.org/
Proverbs 21:13
I applaud work that genuinely helps people who have suffered misfortune. We all do.
The problem is that 90% of these people are just worthless, and can’t be helped. And they are creating serious problems for the good citizens who live and work in that area.
There goes the un-Christian side of you again Austin. I will repeat myself. All people are worth saving. Some are certainly more difficult and will take longer to help for reasons that are often hard to ‘see’ and understand. I understand that conservatives like their solutions to be ‘magic quick wins’ like “Build That Wall” to solve a complex issue behind immigration in general and illegal immigration specifically.
The truth behind these persistent issues are complex and never have single quick win answers. That is why they are persistent. Thankfully truly compassionate people with a stronger faith than either you or I dedicate their lives to tackling these kinds of issues.
Austin, please note, I am not here to change your mind, just here to offer a counter point of view as I consider you and Alan lost causes to the cult of the MAGA Hats. So as always…You Be You.
Best wishes and see you at the next article on social issues!
1/. I never said I was a Christian. Try to focus, and think more clearly.
2/. The answers to some issues are indeed complex, but illegal immigration isn’t one of them. Build the wall. Enforce immigration law. Problem solved.
3/. And I consider you to be a follower of the biggest cult in the World : Marxism and its offshoots. It is an evil cult that dupes millions, and you’re one of them.
[ IF you can accurately discern precise English you will note that I did not say you are a Marxist, so don’t bother denying it. ]
Chris, do you know what bean counters do? They weigh the cost against the benefits received. What is the real cost to taxpayers for the effort to help the homeless in Greensboro? Then compare the cost with the benefits received by the taxpayers and the homeless. The taxpayers because the taxpayer is paying the cost, the homeless because they are the receiver of the benefits. If the costs are far greater than the benefits received, e.g. a few homeless people are being helped, stop doing what is being done and try a different approach. Why would politicians continue to waste taxpayer money? Because it is not their money and because they have no idea how to fix the problem. Assigning police officers to manage the facility is a poor use of police resources but makes Alston and Nancy Vaughn and the GCC puff out their chests as if they are solving the homeless gathering problem with the IRC.
LOL, I am a cost analyst by background. We have attempted to consult with local government bean counters. They do not view the world as a business does, and nor should they, as much of their benefits are non-financial and therefore do not generate an IRR. They evaluate cost/benefit based on reach typically for public services. Cost per homeless person for example and then benchmark that to other localities etc…
So it really depends on what you consider a benefit here. I suspect IRC considers the benefit mostly non-financial. How many people have they made life on the street safer for on a daily basis. How many people have the helped improve their physical and mental health as well. Those are real benefits. They aren’t measured in dollars and center. I am treasurer for my local church, and we measure benefits the same way. Hard to put an IRR on saving or helping a soul.
I understand the conservatives want everything to be about dollars and cents. The world just doesn’t always work that way. Nor should it.
Chris, you are from the bleeding heart liberals of the 1960s who still offer excessive sympathy as a pretext to spend taxpayer money. You use nonfinancial “benefits” to justify spending money paid into government coffers by hardworking Americans because you know nonfinancial benefits are difficult and time-consuming to measure and the results are not hard data.
put ‘substance’ dispensers where we would like them to live their circumstances ?
Danny should educate himself better. He is in fact responsible for more “rent-a-cops” than most places across the state.
All of those “extra duty” jobs are in fact rented cops. As the county keeps raising rates, more & more companies are turning to private security firms. As the water in the bowl keeps swirling, more & more good deputies are jumping ship before the @$$ end goes under with the rest of the ship. As those go elsewhere, rats, mice, and bullies are promoted to fill their shoes. Oh well, I suppose there’s no law against being an @$$#0le.
Who cares, let the homeless have downtown. There is no reason to ever go downtown. Greensboro has become a joke and place to never go downtown. Greensboro is managed by a bunch of self -serving persons who have no real interest in the things that would make Greensboro a good place to live and work. And it is going to get worse. Let these selfish people who is gaining from their decisions live in their own waist of downtown Greensboro.
I think I am going there; but not alone, and in daylight.
If EMF won’t go there without police protection, then I’m not going either. I’d be afraid to leave my car unattended.
Welcome to Little Portland. This can spread all over the City, just like Portland, Seattle, SF, LA, etc.
urban ‘renewal’ would displace them but to where? tate st., state st., your st. ? gated/guarded communities may be the future for our area ?