From Rhino Times Reader Alan Marshall
During the big(?) “No Kings” geriatric parades across the country which, for the most part, were peaceful there were a few brainless hiccups. The most reported one was the teacher that was filmed pantomiming her version of the moment Charlie Kirk was assassinated during his rally. If she hasn’t been fired, she needs to be. And if she was/is, you can bet she’s going to be screaming they violated her First Amendment rights.
WRONG!!!
Nobody told her she couldn’t do or say what she did. If they did, then they would have been violating her rights. IF she got fired, and I believe she should be, it was because of the position she holds and her responsibilities for presenting an example for other people’s children, I think it’s safe to say more than a few of those parents were not happy seeing her doing what she was doing and the message she was sending. It’s not against the law to scream “FIRE” in a crowded theater. It’s against the law to create a panic situation where people can be hurt or killed.
Unfortunately, public schools and the people running them are, to some extent, picking and choosing what they are teaching our children, and one thing they fail to point out is that with rights come responsibilities.
If she was fired and starts screaming about a violation of her free speech it tells me she is not as educated as she may claim to be. She has rights, no argument there, but parents have rights as well. Were one of my children in her class, I would be getting them out of her den of indoctrination and organizing other parents to get her teaching license revoked. But hey, I’m just a guy who believes people need to be held responsible for their actions and words, especially people in positions like hers.
Carpe Diem
Alan Marshall
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The entire Government Schools system is a nationwide Leftist indoctrination mechanism (funded by you and me).
No it isn’t. It is a struggling education system deeply underfunded one size fits all program that needs to be revamped, not privatized.
If you are such a poor parent that a school influences your child’s social beleif system over your own teaching then I promise your kids are getting social reasons from far more nefarious perspectives of their broader social network.
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This guy thinks the government school system is “deeply underfunded”!
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Leftists live in their own world, not the real one. In fact, that’s the defining characteristic of all Leftists : they have a reality perception problem.
Says the guy who denies the credibility of science, facts, and data that don’t support his emotional opinions. Below are the facts that support my opinion.
– NC consistently ranks among the lowest in the nation for per-student spending. The state spends about \(\$5,000\) less per student than the national average,
– NC spends the least of its Gross State Product on public education.
– There are significant funding gaps between counties, especially between the wealthiest and poorest. For example, in the 2021-22 school year, the highest-spending counties spent more than four times the amount per child than the lowest-spending counties.
– Districts with more students of color and English learners receive less per-student revenue from state and local sources.
Some conservatives argue that private schools spend less per student in the form of tuition (they often do), but those comparisons ignore the costs covered by parents such as transportation, books, supplies, sports fees, etc… These comparisons also fail to account for private schools NOT be required to educate the more challenged students such as those with learning disabilities, English learners, and students with low-income parents who provide little to now educational (or developmental) support.
What facts do you have to back up your opinion other than ‘Nah Uh’?
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Just Google “Which country spends the most per student on education?” and see for yourself, Genius Boy. Luxembourg is No. 1… the USA is No. 2. At least the kids in Luxembourg get a good education. The US ranks around 27th….
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This attempt to intimidate and bully by using a torrent of (generally false) information is one of the strategies this individual employs so he can convince himself that he has won the argument. He relies on the fact that most people simply walk away, because they have a life.
Chris is never wrong and never apologises for his insults and rudeness to conservatives.
His sophistry is nauseating.
Weird to lie about such a topic given it is so easy to look up.
Since I am only commenting about k-12 education you also used the wrong baseline. You were also looking at the national average. Considering NC is near the bottom in the US, you are making a very flawed viewed of the facts to the point of lying. not shocked.
For K-12 public education the US is 6th among OECD countries. (we are third if you include advanced education but that isn’t the scope of my comments)
Source: https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics#:~:text=Schools%20in%20the%20United%20States,not%20report%20any%20educational%20spending.
While the US on the whole spends more than the average OECD country, NC doesn’t. It actually spends far less on K-12 public education per student than the national average and slightly less than the OECD average.
In the 2021-22 school year, North Carolina spent $11,777 per student, while the national average was $16,131. The average OECD was….$11,900
Maybe you could learn to Google. NC has long underfunded public education and the facts prove me correct.
Best wishes.
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One of us here is a chronic deceiver and sophist.
It’s not me.
But you keep peddling the lie that US Government Schools are “deeply underfunded”.
The US spends more money on education than any other country in the World, and gets worse results than many Third World countries, like India.
You are the liar. You are the liar.
As always.
Lol I give data, source and summary of rationale behind my opinion the clearly proves you wrong.
Annnnnnnnnd……you call me childish names. You are are boring.
I would enjoy a debate with someone who beleives in data, facts, and values of experts in their fields. Until then I will just keep providing the facts, data and sources that debunk the lies from people like Austin.
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The FACT is that this country spends more money per student on education than every other country in the World, except for Luxembourg.
The problem here is that YOU CANNOT ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE WRONG in claiming US education is “deeply underfunded” – your words.
In fact, you never accept that you have been proven wrong. Your puerile emotional insecurities don’t allow you to admit it. You’re so insecure you’re terrified of losing an argument, which is why you will never let the facts get in the way of your opinions.
You Chris are the little child.
I offered data and facts and you can’t handle you are wrong. THAT is why you are so gullible and ignorant to believe Trumps lies. You are incapable of actually learning beyond your emotional biased beliefs. My data clearly proves you statement wrong
I will help you try one more time….Hint: The US is NOT North Carolina. The US is a massive country with highly diverse local economies and social / cultural differences. Luxembourg is a country with a population of under 1 million.
To further point out the ignorance of your statement, Luxembourg spends approximately $26,833 annually per full-time equivalent student in education, which is significantly higher than the OECD average of $12,647 per student. This indicates that Luxembourg invests heavily in K-12 education compared to other OECD countries.
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Let me help you.
HINT : I asserted that “The entire Government Schools system is a nationwide Leftist indoctrination mechanism” – verbatim.
Can you read the words “entire” and “nationwide”? That means not just one state.
You also tried to deflect and digress by claiming it is “deeply underfunded”.
I disproved your lie, as anyone else can with a cursory Google search. The US education system is over-funded and grossly incompetent.
Sorry you can’t accept this, but Leftists can’t perceive reality because they live in a make believe World of their own, like you.
Only a fool talks about public schools as if there is some magic standard from state to state. 90%+ of funding comes from local and state sources which varies state to state by a wide margin. I was very clear in my data that I was referencing NC schools. The difference between the highest and lowest per pupil funding level is 3x.
Just another example that you don’t even know what you are talking about at even a basic level.
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Careful Chris, your ADHD is showing. You are unable to remain focused and fly off into irrelevancies that you believe bolster some issue nobody addressed.
Seek help.
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PS
You really should declare an interest.
Your wife works in the Government Schools System, doesn’t she?
Chris, it’s not price per student that really matters. It’s what you do with the money. Japan, for instance, spends less than NC per pupil and produces better educated and better disciplined students. Finland seems to be ranked number 1 in the world as far as primary school education and it spends right at about the same amount per pupil as NC. The US’s, and especially NC’s, top heavy, bureaucratic, wasteful system is why we spend the money but don’t get results. That’s why we have dummies like you.
Don, in Japan, High School is not compulsory, so they avoid the higher costs of high school so not really an apples-to-apples comparison. They also do not cover extras such as sports and academic clubs. With that said, they also have a very different system such as their funding is centralized and teacher pay is relatively high compared to other white-collar workers and includes good benefits (especially compared to US). In addition, the parental support in Japan trends much higher than the average parental participation found in the US. Lastly, the students learn discipline by actually cleaning their own classrooms and the school grounds.
Certainly things we could learn from but end of the day culturally different so much would not translate in US culture.
Austin, just admit you were wrong and move on…..it is really sad that you keep trying.
FYI, my wife now works for a private university and makes twice the income as she did in public schools.
Once again, don’t need the Lib-splaining. You specifically cited OECD comparisons and Japan is listed among those countries. But now they don’t count because it doesn’t fit the narrative? Nice job moving the goal posts. You also long-windedly proved the point that it isn’t about the amount of dollars spent, it’s about how those dollars are used. And yes, the U.S could do with both a cultural shift and a shift in how our money is spent. Way to ignore Finland too. Probably didn’t fit your talking points either. Good job, dummy.
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Thanks for confirming that your wife worked in the Government Schools for years, until recently.
And really… you should admit that you are just plain wrong in your absurd claim that US schools are “deeply underfunded”.
It doesn’t even pass the straight face test.
C’mon buddy! This is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that you can actually admit it when you’ve been proven wrong.
You can’t do it, can you?
Lib-splaining = Using facts and data to make a strong case against a conservative’s emotionally based opinions.
Ok, Don…..how do you change the culture of the United States to fit the model used by Japan? LMAO good luck with that idea.
Best wishes.
FYI, Finland spends over $1k more per student per year than NC. But the biggest thing about Finland that is different than the US: In Finland, teaching is one of the most selective and respected professions. All teachers must hold a master’s degree in education, and only the top 10% of applicants are accepted into teaching programs. Teachers are granted significant autonomy in their classrooms to innovate and adjust the curriculum based on student needs.
Don’t let facts get in the way of your emotions.
I didn’t say we need to be like Japan, dummy. I said we need a change in culture where education is concerned. No child left behind was a foolish endeavor. Entitlement thinking is equally foolish. Looks like you are agreeing with me in that it’s not about the volume of dollars but how they are managed and spent with regard to both Japan and Finland. Looks like Finland has much higher standards and even if they might have a slightly higher per pupil budget. Let’s not pretend they are vastly outspending NC here, it’s $3 extra per pupil per day at best, yet they are consistently the number one education system in the world. Once again, it’s a cultural mindset, not a dollar value issue. You are agreeing with me even though you’re too dumb to realize it. Good job.
Amazing how Austin can see the facts and data about how under funded NC schools are relative to other US schools as well as other nations. The wilful ignorance is a symptom of bigotry and hate. If Austin acknowledged the truth, he fears he would have to also acknowledge his entire beleif system is based on lies, hate and fear.
Classic conservative mentality.
At least Don acknowledges the facts provided. Sadly he misdirects to other angles when his first argument fails. But the comments are at least engaging except for his childish name calling. But I have gotten used to that from conservatives. I give back on return to some degree so no worries.
Wait, you think Finland attracts top college students because the pay is as low a a call center employee that doesnt even require a college degree like her in the US? Lol. You are misunderstanding how Finland attracts such high callibar teachers.
In Finland teachers pay is 92% of comparable educated white collar jobs where in the US it is under 70%.
In Finland it is competitive to even become a teacher, in the US we can barely sucker enough people to become teachers.
Toss in how disrespected teachers are treated by conservatives such as you and Austin, who claim trqchers should be paid less just because schools arent open year round or that they are falsely accused of indoctrinating students to liberal points of view, etc…
Please Don, do better research before making excuses for how NC under funds its school systems. Try some critical thinking before you call me childish names and make poorly thought assumptions.
Best wishes.
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Amazing how Chris tries to extricate himself from an obvious lie, by deflecting to a different subject. That’s what Leftists do when they know they’ve lost the debate – they deflect and digress to other issues.
Oh, and I was right. He cannot admit that he’s wrong. He never does. He’s incapable of doing it.
He’s very insecure.
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To summarize : Chris wants you to believe that the country that spends the most money in the World on education, and which spends more per student than every other country save one has an education system that is… “deeply underfunded”.
Yeah. Right.
To Summarize: Austin is ignoring that NC (the state we live in….) is funding schools significantly below US average and half the rate of the best public schools in the world.
But Austin doesn’t like facts that prove him wrong, so he ignores the truth….a repeats his misinformation and lies that misrepresent my points of fact so he can live in his fantasy world that doesn’t exist.
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Chris, I have no idea what you’re rambling about at this point. I said none of the things you seem to be alleging and have no idea where you’re getting that from. Seems like you’re being paid by the word or something regardless of content now. So dumb.
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Don, that’s this guy’s MO. I never said anything about NC Schools, but he tried to twist what I said into something I never even mentioned.
He can’t debate the issue we present, so he argues a different issue instead. He tries to divert the debate with red herrings so he can bloviate interminably.
He’s a wanker.
Don, in Finland teaching is a cherished job that only students in the 90th percentile are able to quality for a teaching degree. In US, they are struggling to get kids to get education degrees given how poorly teachers are treated.
I can type slower to show how flawed your thinking is if you like. Just let me know.
NC schools are underfunded, teachers re poorly supported and kids often also lack parental support. THAT is what the facts say regardless of your ‘what-aboutisms” and Austin thinking all US schools are the same.
No, dummy. I already said that the US needs a culture change regarding education. Not sure why you are acting like I didn’t. You’re arguing just to argue even when you are agreeing with me. Dumb.
To be clear you are agreeing with me. LMAO
I believe it is you who are agreeing with me, as I’ve said all along throughout this series of posts.
So, you are saying if someone in a public role makes fun of someone attacked or murdered, they should be fired? So, when all the republican leaders made jokes and spread lies about the attack on Pelosi’s Husband, they should be fired? Or is this just more right-wing hypocrisy?
It’s weird that conservatives say the young (30+ year olds) republicans who had racist and violent group chats, “that’s what kids do”, yet leverage the FDC to cancel a late-night show over a joke?
Maybe Alan should listen to what his party leadership is saying and doing versus worrying about one schoolteacher out of 7 million No Kings protesters.
“So, you are saying if someone in a public role makes fun of someone attacked or murdered, they should be fired?”
Show me where I said that. You can’t because I didn’t.
“So, when all the republican leaders made jokes and spread lies about the attack on Pelosi’s Husband, they should be fired?” Show me where I said that. You can’t because I didn’t.
Statements and/or implications like those are called “lies”, and people who use them are called “liars”.
“Maybe Alan should listen to what his party leadership is saying and doing versus worrying about one schoolteacher out of 7 million No Kings protesters.
Your “one schoolteacher”, a person who is responsible for teaching and forming young minds, someone who, in some cases, is considered an example to children is providing, in your opinion, how to act and think, is providing an unacceptable example for the children under her. That’s why I am “…worrying about one schoolteacher…”, something you obviously don’t or won’t worry about.
Unlike you along with the (NS)DP, I do not blindly follow or agree what the GOP says and does and have on several occasions called them out for it. And unlike you I care about what kind of examples some people in positions of authority demonstrate, especially to children.
You watch the events of the largest national protest in the history of the United States and your first thought is to write about some random insignificant teacher who was videoed at the event and then you want me to believe you your aren’t a hypocrite when your party’s leadership has done the exact same distasteful acts again and again as this insignificant teacher. Lmao. Get a gripe. Self awareness is clearly not your strength.
By the way good to have you back in the mix after your short letter writing hiatus. Pointing out your hypocrisy and poorly structure arguments is fun.
Best wishes
Oh, and BTW, show me a RELIABLE source for your “…7 million No Kings protester.” number, or are just blindly following your masters.
Estimates range from 5 million to 7 million. There are hundreds of articles in the news as I am sure you are aware. Just because I dont have a roll call of all the millions of people doesn’t make it not true. Get over it. It was a huge success and speaks to how poorly the President has done representing ALL Americans.
FYI, In another comment elsewhere I noted the top 5 cities made up 1 million by themselves based on local police and park services estimates. NYC alone was 300k for example. There 2700 locations in total.
Best wishes
Chris can you please provide specifics about “all the Republicans” in your previous comment. Who they were and what they said. Asking for a friend
Funny Chris you always have your facts, figures, and links but when asked to support a comment you posted you seem to disappear. What’s up with that.
What did I miss…my apologies. Happy to reply if you point me back to your question.
So, your entire rant today is about how you imagine someone MAY react to an event that may or may not happen?
I think there are probably more important things to be writing about than this fantasy that you have created in your head to continue to be outraged at people that you already disagree with.
Maybe tackle questions about the economy and inflation, and how our standing in the world has been absolutely destroyed by the plutocrats that are currently in charge who you seem to think are on your side?
I’m sorry for expressing an opinion Massa…I didn’t mean to overstep my bounds Massa…You are the wise one and I will start listening to you Massa.
That teacher should be fired, but it is Chicago.
Just so you know, Chris, elected politicians can’t be fired except at the polls. There are many differences between teachers and other so-called professionals. They can and should be fired.
Ok, how about the foxnews hosts who have done the same….funny none of you that are upset about Kirk jokes and negative opinions of his reputation have ever shown any concern for the jokes, misinformation and hate spread about those on the left impacted by political violence. Heck even some of the commuters here continue to spread the misrepresentation and jokes about the Pelsoi attack.
Hmmmmmm…..hypocrites label really does seem to fit in this situation.
If progressives like Chris didn’t hyperventilate over Trump every day, what would they do with their lives? How has Trump put their freedom in jeopardy?
This protest lacks any real significance, just theatre. It’s just a group of Manson-like losers who don’t like Trump. Let’s move on from this—just a bunch of folks disturbing others during their weekend activities.
Reasonable people voted the Democrats out in 2024. Instead of protesting, let’s focus on constructive ways to bring about change. Stay home, Chris, take another Xanax–it will be okay.
LOL if you conservatives didn’t hyperventilate about your belief in the lies told by your dear leader about immigrants, the economy, justice, and taxes we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in with our trading partners abandoning us, our economy slowing, out debt crushing us, our loss as a world leader in science and our individual rights being stepped all over as a result of the policies of the current administration.
These protests had real significance for those of us who see through the constant lies of the current administration and understand that the current administration is destroying what used to make us great and is ignoring the real issues facing our country. The protests weren’t for you all blinded by the lies and hate spouted by Trump. It was for the democratic leadership to hear that we need them to step up and save the country from the ignorance of the modern conservative.
The largest protest in US history and you don’t care about the millions of Americans who see through the lies so you can continue to keep you head in the sand and pretend everything is alright as the house is burning around you….
Good luck with that.
It is modern conservatives hyperventilating over the lies they have been fed such as ‘immigrants are criminals’, ‘Democrats are evil’, ‘DEI stops qualified people for getting jobs’, ‘Biden economy is worst in history’, ‘Poor people are lazy’, ‘Science and Education is a lie and harmful’, etc… etc… etc… that has enabled the election of a President who is trampling the Constitution, Ignoring Individual Rights, wrecking our Economy, alienating our long value foreign alliances, Grifting the taxpayer, and increasing the separation of wealth etc.. etc.. etc..
The lies you all believe is staggering and destroying all that once made America Great. But don’t worry. I am happy to take a few minutes out of the day to provide the actual truth, facts, and reliable sources to counter the lies and hate spewed by the modern conservatives here on the daily.
But you be you.
Chris did you see the news this AM. Another ILLEGAL truck driver under the influence of drugs caused a crash on Highway 10 in Southern California. 3 innocent American Citizens were killed
He had failed the truck driving test 10 times, apparently because he couldn’t read English. You must be so proud of the ILLEGALS you support or maybe this is just another of those “one off events” as you have previously stated
More single case antidotes. You bore me.
If we punished entire groups or classes of people based on the actions of a single individuals, we would all be in prison.
Get a life. Immigrants have long been the backbone of the workforce in the US and have contributed greatly to our economy. And yes, that includes undocumented immigrants who had a net contribution of over 90 billion dollars to the US economy last year.
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Haven’t we all had enough of Captious Chris?
He’s predictable, pedestrian and pedantic. He never introduces a novel insight or new idea, he just trots out the prevailing Liberal line on any issue. And he has no intellectual integrity – he never admits it when he’s wrong, or caught in a lie, even when it’s right here in black & white.
In short, he’s a bore.
A tiresome, vacuous bore.
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Chris don’t you have any sympathy for the trauma that the ILLEGALS you champion for has caused another set of families. Shame on you for not offering any empathy towards them. But I’ll bet you will be a proud democrat come Nov. 1 when no SNAP benefits are available to all the hungry children in America because the democrats want to keep the government in a shutdown. All over ILLEGALS healthcare
What impact does an undocumented worker have on families in the US? They keep prices for goods and services low and support tax base.
If you are referring to one-off examples of crime, I provide the exact same sympathy that I offer ALL victims of crime. On the whole, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than natural born citizens so mathematically they reduce crime and provide a strong net benefit to our communities.
Only the bigotry of modern conservatives would damn an entire group of people for the actions of a few. Using a few awful crimes to demonize all undocumented immigrants to create fear and hate among the conservative base is straight out of the classic fascist playbook.
But you be you
Yes, Chris is an example of children who keep screaming, yet no one is taking them seriously.
That guy is a big time a-hole.
If facts, data and truth upset your conservative opinions based on ignorance and misinformation, that’s on you. lol
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Fact is US spends more on education than any other country. I looked it up.
Why do you push misinformation ? That’s on you.
NC spends far less than the US Average. FACT.
Why would think US average means anything to kids in public schools in NC? The US is a very diverse country.
FACT – NC Schools are significantly underfunded.
DATA – NC spent $11,777 per student, while the national average was $16,131
FACT – The US is 6th in spending for k-12 education compared to other developed countries.
DATA SOURCE: https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics#:~:text=Schools%20in%20the%20United%20States,not%20report%20any%20educational%20spending.
When people talk about the awful education in the US, they are referring to k-12 public education and NOT talking about college. Your mistake is only only looking at US total average which is not relevant to the conversation. Therefore, my statement and supporting data are limited to k-12 public education funding.
So clearly it is you that lacks the critical thinking skills. But you be you.
Nah, it’s you who can’t talk to what’s been raised, so you go off on tangents like the nutcase ou are.
Nasty guy, too.
So make your case NC is we’ll funded school system. Bet you can’t.
Just admit you are wrong and move on. Or you can pull an Austin and resort to childish name calling. Lol
Bet you can’t prove US Education is deeply underfunded. Go ahead!
US is a diverse country with a wide range of funding levels for schools across the 50 states. (note the complexity of that analysis requires GPD as some states have very different economies that others etc…) THAT is why I only make the case for US as that is where my family lives and my kids will be raising my grandchildren.
If your strategy is to ignore the underfunded school systems in the States like NC by only considering the average that’s on you. Not sure the value of that exercise.
Best wishes.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha…. !!!
Pitiful.
Typical conservative. When proven wrong they resort to childish responses when they can’t offer a valid retort.
Oh please. One issue out of millions got your attention so you can rant division and hate.
We have real problems and they are going to get worse.
If you voted for this mess then your opinion means little now.
Thanks for your attention to this matter.
Replying to Alan Marshall:
Alan, your frustration is understandable, but let’s ground this in facts and constitutional clarity. The teacher in question—Lucy Martinez of Nathan Hale Elementary in Chicago—was filmed during a “No Kings” protest pantomiming a gun gesture to her neck while shouting “bang, bang,” widely interpreted as mocking Charlie Kirk’s assassination Fox News +2. The video went viral, sparking outrage and calls for her termination.
As of now, there’s no public confirmation she’s been fired. The school principal’s letter to parents focused on threats made against Martinez, not disciplinary action Fox News | MSN. That silence has only fueled speculation and criticism.
Now, about the First Amendment: it protects individuals from government censorship—not from consequences imposed by employers, especially public ones. Teachers, as public employees, do have speech protections, but those rights are balanced against the school’s interest in maintaining a respectful, safe learning environment. If her actions are deemed disruptive or condoning violence, disciplinary measures—including termination—could be legally justified.
But firing her wouldn’t violate her First Amendment rights unless it was clearly retaliatory for protected speech. That’s a legal nuance—not a blanket “WRONG!!!” as you put it. The real issue here is whether mocking a political assassination, even in protest, crosses the line from expression into incitement or professional misconduct. That’s where the debate belongs—not in dismissive slogans.
Let’s keep the discourse principled, even when the optics are disturbing.
Parading may be personal, but it’s not private in today’s smartphone cameras and the internet.
Public school teachers, as government employees, have some speech restrictions. This doesn’t mean they lose all free speech rights, but the department should consider the impact of their speech on public perception, effectiveness, and trust.
It’s disappointing that the school system where she works may lack clear policies or standards that prohibit actions that undermine public confidence or harm community relations.
The teacher’s act could make one hesitant to let their kids attend that school, and raise concerns among other citizens.
Her lack of “professional capacity” as a representative of the school system is disgusting.
We should all believe in civility, and a teacher’s position is considered a form of civil service. This teacher needs to be fired, but the principal is cut from the same demonic fabric as the teacher.
It’s unfathomable that even after such a tragic event, the victim is not being given the dignity he deserves. This lack of respect is a clear indication of the need for change.
Again, the hypocrisy is stunning. The senior leaders of the conservative party (you know actual civil servants) have a long track record of the same if not worse behavior making fun of Democrats that have suffered from political violence.
It’s not a matter of frustration, and I stated clearly she has a right to say whatever she wants up to and including yelling fire in a crowed theater, but I also said when you do that must be prepared to accept what may happen when you publicly speak. Your employer, in this case the tax paying public, more specifically the parents of the children placed in your control, have every right to call for your immediate termination. Based on your statement of “Teachers, as public employees, do have speech protections…” I interpret that as he/she can express ANY opinion in the classroom environment. You then say “If her actions are deemed disruptive or condoning violence, disciplinary measures—including termination—could be legally justified.” Which is it?
What is protected speech? Who decides what is and is not protected speech. I said her mocking Charlie Kirk’s assassination is her right to free speech, but would you as an employer want to keep her around? Nobody said she didn’t have right to do what she did. She can get up on a soap box and mock shoot herself all day long, but as her employer please show me where I HAVE to keep her on my payroll.
As I said, with rights come responsibility AND possible consequences. She is a PUBLIC school teacher paid by tax payers making me her employer (I am a tax payer) and as such I can have her fired.
From what I see the No Kings protest was extremely successful. After it ended the United States emerged as a Democratic Republic. Exactly what the founders envisioned.
Take off your rose colored glasses, George. I can’t hear you over the bulldozer making room for the new ballroom at the White House.
I think it is the sand in your ears from keeping your head so deep in the sand to avoid hearing thee truth about the mess Trump has created.
Best wishes
And this comment from an expert on the subject of having sand in his ears
I know right. Salt life has his head so deep in the sand I don’t know if he can get out. But at least his name fits.
I didn’t see any No Kings protest when Biden forgave millions in student loan debt, let millions of criminals into our country illegally, censored free speech, unchecked massive spending, cancelled the Keystone pipeline, extended the excessive Covid lockdowns, and all the climate mandates nonsense. He did all of these things without Congressional Approval, and some in violation of Supreme Court rulings.
The Biden Derangement Syndrome is strong with this one. I guess this is the Long-BDS similar to Long-Covid symptoms.
Salt Life he did all those things and don’t forget he forgot who he let use the auto-pen. Still his spokesperson said “Bidens mind was always sharp as a tack”. Yeah right, I have some great beach front property in Arizona if anyone is interested
Do you conservatives her Trump speak lately? Rambling and disconnected remarks, struggling with memory and coherence, blatantly false statements (1500% reduction in dug prices), etc… etc… etc…
Dementia Don is getting to a point worse than Biden as at least Biden’s was surrounded by competent cabinet that were actually qualified for their roles and had the actual interest of ALL Americans at heart.
Having trouble following along Chris. My comment was about you not Salt Life.
I understand sarcasm is difficult to follow in comments online but really? Lmao.
Americans have endured and survived the Obama and Biden/Harris administrations and their inane policies.
We outlived the oppressive Roy Cooper Covid Lockdowns and the Fauci lies.
We have persevered despite repeated attempts by Biden to censor free speech, and Hunter escaping laws and losing cocaine in the White House.
Google and Zuckerberg’s Social Media platforms were manipulated under pressure from the Biden Administration to influence our online searches.
The January 6th Committee’s findings were so partisan and erroneous that Biden pardoned all committee members.
We tragically lost 13 U.S. service members in Biden’s botched Afghanistan withdrawal.
Statues were erected in honor of 8-time convicted felon George Floyd, while in the summer of 2020, the BLM riots caused more than $1 billion in damage.
Biological men were allowed to participate in women’s sports and use their bathrooms and locker rooms.
A United States Supreme Court nominee could not define a Woman at her confirmation hearing.”
The Biden Administration allowed twenty million undocumented immigrants into our country.
Biden allowed deadly fentanyl to come through our southern border, which caused tens of thousands of deaths.
Illegal aliens have senselessly murdered American citizens.
Conservative Supreme Court Justices have been doxed.
A Democrat aide filmed himself having sex in a Senate hearing room.
A transgender activist went topless at a White House party.
American citizens suffered through crippling inflation.
On several occasions, President Biden fell, shook hands with invisible people, wandered through events, and was unable to answer questions without a teleprompter.
Democrats refused to hold a primary after Biden withdrew from the 2024 Presidential race.
President Biden was investigated for illegally possessing classified documents. A Special Prosecutor declined to charge him, concluding in part that he was an “elderly man with a poor memory.”
Americans watched President Trump get shot on live television at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Trump is the one bringing us back to what our founding fathers wanted, Curious George.
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Brilliant catalog of Democrat malfeasance.
LOL now the number is 20 million illegal immigrants that Biden let into the country? LAMO, the number gets bigger each time you tell that lies (along with all the other lies and misinformation in your list). The total number of illegal immigrants in the United States in total is only estimated as 14 million. Also note that estimates are that 40% of those undocumented immigrants started as legal immigrants. The lies you all believe at tell each other is staggering.
Happy to provide data, facts and truth for the many other lies in your list to help you avoid other embarrassments should you ever venture outside of conservative echo chambers.
Your response, Chris, is not shocking because it aligns with your progressive narrative. You are still “trying to lasso air.”
Classic non-response from a conservative when his lies are countered with actual facts and data. not shocked.
He is another fun fact to counter your lies. The inflation rate today under Trump is identical to the inflation rate when Biden left office (3.0%).
(FYI, it was a global inflation crisis under Biden and not solely caused by Trump and Biden’s over spending).
I heard there is a government shutdown, but my life has gone on beautifully. We should eliminate all the “non-essential” federal employees and reduce the federal budget by 2/3rds. This could pave the way for a more financially responsible government.
KING TRUMP is a great idea. Under his leadership, we could experience a level of stability that we haven’t seen in years. I’d rather Trump be king than Biden, Harris, or Hillary be president. Long live the King.
If you think your life is worse under King Trump, you either haven’t been taking your medication or you are incapable of rational thought.
Only a conservative would look at the world and ignore all the others impacted negatively because it hasn’t impacted them personally. Weird. And conservatives claim the be the ‘Christian Conservatives’. But we all know that was always a lie.
Just my opinion salt life but when the government shuts down like this, regardless of who is the majority party, shouldn’t the first ‘government employees’ to lose their salaries, expense accounts and other such bennies be the House of Representatives and the Senate along with their legions of yes-men and sycophants?
Care to guess how long that shutdown would last?
Just throwing that out there.
Given how members of congress can so easily get away with insider trading, I don’t think very many actually care about their salaries. Just look at Nancy Pelosi.
Yes. Absolutely.
I agree, Alan. Congress shouldn’t get paid. But most of them are wealthy, so missing a few paychecks wouldn’t hurt them.
Now, a better option might be to miss paychecks and expense accounts with “no back pay” when the government does reopen.
Thanks to all of the ‘No Kings’ protests that took place last weekend. Together, we have ushered in a new era. The ‘No Kings’ movement has achieved so much, and it’s a testament to our collective strength and determination.
Here are just a few things accomplished by the ‘No Kings’ protests. If these achievements inspire you, I encourage you to join the movement and be part of the change.
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Accomplishment of the No Kings Protests:
– showed how those of us that see the danger of Trumps actions to our Democracy that wr are not alone. There are millions of us!
– showed the democratic hopefuls what brings people out so when we vote next year we can overcome the conservative cheating
– spooked conservatives enough that they have to go full denial about the success of the protests.
– proved conservative propaganda about democrats being violent and hateful as a big fat lie given the peaceful nature of over 2600 protest events across the country.
Yup. Huge success. I am so proud of the True Americans the protested the fascist nature of Trump and his cronies.
Best wishes
7 million protesters is a joke. Most were paid activists.
How gullible to believe someone paid millions of people to go out and protest. The denial shows your fear that so many are seeing the truth you deny.
Best wishes.
Alan
I agree 100% with your sentiments BUT it is actually against
the law to yell FIRE in a crowded theatre.
The phrase comes from Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.’s majority opinion in the 1919 case Schenck v. United States.
He used it to illustrate that while free speech is protected, it has limits, particularly when speech creates a risk of immediate harm to others.
The “clear and present danger” test has been replaced by a stricter test for incitement, which requires speech to be intended to cause imminent lawless action and likely to do so.
Intentionally causing a panic in a crowded theater is not protected by the First Amendment.
Respectfully
On a more positive note, Trump said he wouldn’t allow ICE to be near the White House while his ballroom is being constructed.
Hey Chris,
So your opinion is that would be okay with a teacher dressed in the white sheets of the KKK. Is that right? Good to know you support equality in free speech issues!
That would only happen in your little fantasy world Ken. Best you continue to keep that a secret.
The phrase ” I’m just a guy who believes people need to be held responsible for their actions and words, especially people in positions like hers”. Should never leave the mouth of a trump supporter!
Amen
I’m sorry, are you dictating that MY right to free speech should be restricted because you don’t agree?
Thank you Mr. Mandani supporter.