The Abortion Issue Is Not About Abortion
Dear Editor,
The national media would have us believe – through biased and manipulated polls – that the biggest threat to a landslide Republican victory in the mid-term elections is backlash against the Supreme Court decision to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion decision.
According to the leftist media, which is most of the mainstream media, women voters across the US are outraged that they have lost control of deciding if and when to be pregnant, and when to terminate a pregnancy if they so choose.
But that is not the real issue. Aside from the fact that great strides in birth control, not even conceived of in the 1970s, including the so-called morning-after pill, make unwanted pregnancies virtually impossible, except in cases of extreme recklessness or purposeful deceit, the real issue the media hopes we forget is infanticide – baby killing. That, in truth is what Roe v. Wade evolved into, and there is overwhelming resistance to killing fully formed fetuses, and in some cases, already born babies by abortion.
The media would have us forget the sordid scenes of murdered babies in Philadelphia where Dr. Kermit Gosnell was convicted in 2013 of first-degree murder in the deaths of babies born alive at his clinic, then stabbed with scissors. Prosecutors successfully argued that Gosnell blithely killed living late-term babies by severing their spines, and also taught members of his staff how to do it as well. Nine of his mindless ghouls also were convicted in the case, and another four pleaded guilty to murder.
“Ah,” but the media says, “that was 2013 and everyone has long forgotten about it. But we’ll make sure they don’t forget about the US Supreme Court decision earlier this year and scare the living daylights out of women who think they’re being relegated to the Stone Age and back-alley abortions,” which also is not the case.
But hold on with that ancient history nonsense. Let’s look at a newly passed law in California that Gov. Gavin Newsome signed in September, Assembly bill 2223, which prohibits coroners from inquiring into fetal deaths stemming from abortions during the perinatal period, which according to various definitions runs from the moment of pregnancy until one month after birth, or far longer according to some definitions!
Considering that the Supreme Court ruling in 1973 provided for unrestricted abortions only until the end of the first trimester – 12 weeks – and how that limit was incrementally extended decade after decade until the current situation where abortion zealots are killing viable babies, we have to wonder where California – and the country – will take the perinatal limits as time goes by.
But for the moment, looking at political contests across the country, there is one very good option for candidates who think the issue could adversely affect their races. Put every dime you have into graphic still shots and videos of what abortion really means to your Democrat opponents, buy as much space and air time as you can, and remind the voters every single day what the real issue they’re facing looks like.
Ron Winter
Check out Ron the ‘man splanner’ telling women how easy it is to not get pregnant. What a con. You are the perfect example of what ticks off modern women today…a man telling women what to do with their bodies. Way to make the feminist’s point for them.
Just when I thought I couldn’t hear anything dumber.
My grandmother once told my sister if she wants to keep from getting pregnant when dating a boy, all she had to do was take an aspirin but instead of swallowing it, put it between your knees and hold it there.
A woman has the final say on if they get preggers or not. Except for rape, she CAN avoid it by simply saying NO. Take a biology course Chris.
Oh great another ‘man’ telling women how easy it is to ignore pressure from their partners in heat of moment, how easy it is to take a pill on a very set schedule, how easy it is to ignore sexual desire……what a joke. And let’s ignore how the pill impacts women differently (my wife had to stop taking it for health care reasons) how women without Healthcare or insurance access birth control, or women are pressured to not take birth control.
Way to tell women about their bodies Alan. What a joke.
It’s called misplaced values Chris. If a woman does not want to get pregnant, there are ways to achieve that goal.
We’re not interested in the woman’s body; we’re interested in the baby’s body.
You do know where babies come from right?! What a joke.
You’re a joke. A bad one.
Hey Chrissy, I’m still waiting for you to back up your claim that I am a bigot (Letters, Oct 26th). You have gotten real quiet in that column, haven’t you?
When cornered by the truth, you scurry away for cover of darkness like a scared cellar rat, and move on to your next baseless smear.
You are an odious little creep.
Go back and read your own hate filled comments. What, you can’t face your own comments?
You are bigoted against homosexuals, ‘illegal’ immigrants, poor people, and public servants.
LOL ! So you have nothing!
And your answer to the question is just another attempt at character assassination. You really are an unpleasant little man, aren’t you?
PS Criticism of people is not “hate”.
What an incredible stroke of genius there Chris! Take an essay on how abortion has evolved from acceptable only for the first trimester, to the point today where fully formed babies are being murdered, and attempt to divert the conversation to a fake claim that it is an attack on women’s rights. I bet no one has ever attempted that tactic before, well, except for the entire Democrat Party. Guess you won’t get a prize for originality after all. And if anyone should be ticking women off, especially Democrat women, it’s Einstein’s like you who assume they can’t and won’t read the entire article you are responding to, and realize that your response is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to obfuscate the actual issue.
That’s “splainer” not splanner. Everything after your sixth word is also b.s.
Chrissy, WHATS A WOMAN? Way to piss off the snowflakes and the little brainwashed idiots suffering from gender dysphoria! You libtards seem to always know just how to contradict yourselves. Idiocy can’t be educated out of an idiot. You are proof of that!!!!!
Soooooo……because you are transphobic you get to tell women about their bodies and force birth on people not ready for children? Weird perspective.
If a woman is not ready for children, there is plenty of options to avoid pregnancy. . . .no “joke”.
Professor, what’s a man?
A man is an adult male human possessing a X chromosome and an Y chromosome (XY).
A woman is an adult female human possessing two X chromosomes (XX).
Those are the only options (excepting rare mutations) which is why there are only two sexes.
Even Chris (who falsifies evidence) should be able to understand this.
Very biological definition, but what’s an adult? And sociologically, what is a man or a woman? Of course, you know, factually a tomato is both a fruit (to a biologist) and a vegetable (to the 80,000 IRS agents the Cheri Beasley is going to send to rob you blind!) so surely you have the competence to understand I didn’t ask for a narrow biological definition. It’s complex.
While you acknowledge it, you are also minimizing the prevalence of both XXY (about one in 500) and XYY (about one in 1000). That means there is likely one or two in most schools that don’t quite fit your definition of sex. That also means there are likely more than a million US citizens that you just think don’t can’t as man or woman or perhaps they count as both.
Austin, you always have interesting things to say that are somewhat founded in facts, but you are just a marketing mouth for OAN and Truth Social users rather than a woman (or man, honestly, not sure without a blood sample I guess) open to honest discourse. I look forward to your reply though I don’t check this enough to guarantee I’ll see it.
As I said, there are very rare genetic mutations that occur occasionally (like Siamese twins).
But the vast majority of humans are born with their own body – and are male or female.
FACT.
The rest of your rambling dissembling garbage is just irrelevant drivel.
Oh, and I don’t know what OAN is, or the other thing. So you’re wrong about that too.
How dare anyone advocate being a responsible adult. Yes Chris, let’s let everyone do anything they want without repercussion. Great advice.
The way abortions have evolved throughout America’s history pretty much parallels how we have abdicated our own personal responsibility as a society. We have gone from “safe, necessary, and rare” to Chris and Deborah’s genius thinking of “Kill the baby before it takes its first breath so it doesn’t count as being alive.” That way they don’t have to feel bad about killing a person or actually have to put in the work of being a parent and they can bang anyone they want. Libs are so enlightened.
Incel
Name calling isn’t really a rebuttal. Basically says I’m right, when your response has no relevant facts.
Thanks, makes me feel good.
This is well thought out and written and expresses my feelings exactly. It is a shame that the democratic (lower case intended) party is making abortion the key campaign issue.
Thank you Ron Winter! Remind them everyday about abortion!
I’m on social media a lot with people of various ages as well as political and religious points of view. I grew up in CA in the 60s and 70s in a conservative Christian home with a mom that used Planned Parenthood to make sure my sister and I were the only kids she had in the 1950s. I know that having access to legal medical abortion services is important to a great number of women and families for many reasons including the health of the mother, in instances of rape, the health of the fetus, or in cases of miscarriage. There was a news report just last night of a Texas woman who had to be in sepsis shock due to a miscarriage before her doctors would remove the decaying fetus from her uterus for fear of their anti-abortion laws enacted after the recent Supreme Court ruling. She now faces the possibility she may not be able to be pregnant again. While I don’t think this is the greatest issue in the election, it is a huge deciding factor in many cases, more than most Republicans realize.
It’s seriously disturbing to me that men are mostly the ones who voice opinions about abortion yet women are the ones directly affected by the laws. Men have great control over a woman becoming pregnant, just don’t do it, use a condom, or get fixed. The Court ruling has led to some states banning the “day after pill” because some claim that “life begins at conception”, so your claim that a woman can take that pill is not an option. She could also abstain, use the pill (although some states again may consider this interfering with conception), use a diaphragm, use long term contraceptives, or get fixed. Most don’t want permanent solutions. There’s the option of adoption but from the number of kids in foster care that’s obviously not the right answer.
Most women needing abortion services aren’t asking for birth control. They have serious medical, physical, financial, and social issues meaning a baby should not be brought into their lives. Whether they were raped, know the child has potential disabilities they can’t handle or afford, know they can’t afford to care for the child or don’t have an appropriate home for one, the pregnancy will cause physical danger to the mother, carrying the child will cause the exposure of information detrimental to her wellbeing, these issues are all personal and ones she discusses with her doctor and should remain a private part of decision making as to whether she decides to have a baby or an abortion.
A person is not a human being until they take their first breath of life at birth which is when God gives them a soul and dies when they exhale their last when their soul exits their body. The people who self-righteously claim this interferes with God’s plan should remember that God controls whether we are born and when we die. They will respond and say, “You can’t be a Christian and support a woman’s right to abortion (kill a baby).” I don’t understand how you can believe in the Bible or God and think abortion would interfere with God’s plan for the birth of a child. I’m a conservative Christian who believes a woman should have the right to choose abortion if she needs or wants. It’s not an issue for politicians or the government. It’s a private choice between her and her doctor.
Thank you for a thoughtful and independent exposition of your abortion stance, but there are surely two issues.
I’m sorry Deborah, but I just can’t bring myself to believe that a baby is not a human being until it has been born and inhales for the first time. Five minutes earlier it was not a human being? It’s just not a credible position.
Secondly, we have to acknowledge that government is not God. One of the state’s few legitimate functions is to prohibit the unwarranted killing of innocent people (aka murder). That is the moral foundation for laws against abortion. The problem occurs in defining when the foetus becomes a baby, an innocent person.
You’re right to say that the decision is wholly the mother’s – while the foetus is a 2 week tiny clump of cells. When it’s a 9 month old baby about to be born, she no longer has the right to kill it. Surely this is common sense?
Any man made laws concerning the cut off for abortion along that time line are necessarily arbitrary.
When a woman chooses to abort her baby, it is a decision she will answer for to a Higher Power. And I’m not saying it’s always wrong; it’s not for me to judge – unless it’s clear infanticide.
I’m a libertarian, and libertarians are uncharacteristically divided on this issue. It’s a tricky one, probably because such existential issues are beyond the pay grade of politicians and physicians.
Perhaps we need to call in a philosopher.
I seem to recall that the Editor studied Philosophy at Duke…
Care to weigh in, John?
So a small bundle of cells the size of a frog is a human?
Did I say that?
Do try to pay attention – or you just look stupid…
I asked a question. Do try to pay attention – or just continue to look stupid…
And the question is not germane to my comment. You may as well ask if the Moon is made of blue cheese. Irrelevant.
Deborah, YOU ARE MOT A CHRISTIAN!
Says Satan? But good name choice based on your ignorance….
“A person is not a human being until they take their first breath of life at birth which is when God gives them a soul and dies when they exhale their last when their soul exits their body.”
Sorry Deborah. . . .but am sure you know that a child (human being) has a beating heart long before they are born and they also “breath” amniotic fluid, and have an umbilical cord for food which sustains them toward birth. It is baby long before the day of birth.
You used an awful lot of words to show that you didn’t read the article, at least past the first sentence. You can argue viability forever, but really, you should do it in a format where someone has written about viability in the first place. This article addresses the evolution of abortion from Roe vs. Wade where it was legal for the first trimester only, and frankly where many people probably believed that only an unformed collection of cells was involved and were basically on board with that, to the current situation where fully formed and in some cases birthed babies are being murdered with scissors. This has nothing to do with social issues, or the deficiencies of your personal upbringing; it has to do with legalizing murder. Nice try at raising a smoke screen, but no prize for you.
It isn’t murder to remove a small bundle of non-independently viable blob of cells.
You’re begging the question, idiot.
Good morning Rhino Times; I read today’s article in the TRIAD BUSINESS JOURNAL regarding the growth of The Triad. Can you believe it…..The Triad has a 0 (zero) growth rate for 2022! I guess the local politicians think this is a positive rate & positive economic advertising for the area. What the hell are they doing to promote our area? I guess zero!
How many of our local politicians are true business entrepreneurs or just in business?