There’s been a lot of talk on social media lately claiming that Guilford County is planning to take money away from school bond funding to pay for new county buildings and a massive, consultant-recommended, countywide renovation and capital project.
If county staff and commissioners move forward with the project – or even major parts of it – the county will need to take on more debt. However, that debt would be on top of, rather than in place of, the more than $3 billion in school bond debt the county is already taking on to fund school projects.
Voters have approved $2 billion in school bond debt in recent years and, with interest, that puts the total payback at over $3 billion.
The confusion seems to stem from the county’s use of what are called “two-thirds bonds,” which were discussed earlier this year in a county work session and reported on in a recent Rhino Times article.
Consultants identified roughly $572 million in capital improvement needs that include everything from building repairs to possible new downtown government complexes in Greensboro and High Point.
However, on Facebook, Instagram, X and neighborhood-specific apps, some posters are claiming those projects will take money away from schools. That’s simply not the case: Two-thirds bonds won’t pull a single dollar from the more than $3 billion in school bond funding that voters approved.
You can think of it like this. Say you have a credit card and you’ve been approved to use it, but the entire limit – say $2,000 – can only be spent on school supplies. So, you go out and, just like you promised, you spend that $2,000 on school supplies. That never changes. That money is spent and it’s spent on its intended purpose.
However, after you start paying off that credit card, you still have a $2,000 limit. So if you pay off $300 one month, the next month you might have, say, $250 in available credit again.
Now, no one ever made a promise that that new available credit would go toward schools.
Likewise, state law allows local governments, after they pay down debt on voter-approved bonds, to borrow back up to two-thirds of the amount they paid off in the previous year without going back to the voters. It may not be how most people would run their household finances, but it is entirely legal – and it doesn’t affect at all the amount that county schools receive.
Schools get the full $2 billion.
Guilford County Deputy Manager Toy Beeninga said this week that school bond money is legally tied to the bond orders that voters approved and must legally be spent for that purpose. He said that funding can only be used for school projects – period.
“There’s no mechanism where we can take that money and shift it over to county buildings,” Beeninga said in a recent interview with the Rhino Times in an effort to address the misinformation being spread on social media.
So where is the confusion coming from?
It largely comes down to how two-thirds bonds work – and they are complex, not widely understood, and rarely discussed in detail.
Two-thirds bonds allow a county or other local government in North Carolina to borrow additional money without going back to voters, but only up to a limit based on how much existing debt the county has already paid down.
In essence, when the county pays down debt in a given year, it can then borrow back up to two-thirds of that amount the following year.
That means the school bonds and the county’s proposed capital plan can exist side by side as completely separate streams of borrowing. One does not reduce or redirect the other.
However, that doesn’t mean there aren’t real concerns about all this debt.
Because even though the county isn’t “taking” school money for these proposed projects, it is layering additional debt on top of an already massive amount of school-related borrowing.
County finances are under pressure after several years of increased spending.
County staff have made it clear that the roughly $572 million capital improvement plan presented earlier this year isn’t a final recommendation but a needs assessment compiled with the help of an outside consultant.
Staff have indicated to commissioners that fully funding that entire list would likely push the county beyond its own debt policy limits – though the board could choose to change those limits and do the full slate of projects anyway.
That’s why commissioners and staff are now in the middle of an ongoing debate over what should actually be included in the county’s final capital plan.
Some projects – like critical repairs to aging facilities, jail infrastructure and failing building systems – will almost certainly rise to the top.
Others – like the proposed “$2 million treehouse” at a county park – may not survive the final cut.
Given current financial constraints, it’s widely expected the board will have to scale the plan back before formally adopting it.

So, really “two-thirds bonds” is a way of keeping the county in debt up to its debt limit. If a household uses this debt limit ploy, they will never get out of debt because the interest on the debt will never allow it. That’s why so many of the households who practice this never-ending cycle play the lottery constantly believing the next time will be the charm. Problem is, with the county money, that money belongs to the taxpayer. It is so sad that the same commissioners get elected over and over.
well it’s better than pretending we arent in debt like those screw ups over in winston did..i still have no idea how they managed to displace 30 million dollars. dang libs
It wasn’t 30 million it was 46 million in less than 2 years
same thing
Really Mark, I personally think 46 million is a little more than 30 million. My question was and still is why haven’t the people who were supposed to be in charge lost their jobs yet.
i dont know but man is it messed up. one of many reasons im glad i do not reside in forsyth county
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I love this country, but I swear I can’t understand why it blows absolutely massive amounts of money on the worst education system in the advanced world.
India does better than us.
China too.
At a fraction of the cost.
It’s called “feathering your nest”. The local & federal governments are totally corrupt. No matter how much they extort from us, it is never enough. Look at what’s the latest in WA & VA. In CA, Newsom thinks he is prettier than JFK.
as lloyd bentsen famously said, “senator youre no jack kennedy” (although newscum is a governor in this case)
El primo insult. UUUUUUUUUUUgly.
China actually spends more per student than we do here in NC as a percentage of household income. Chinese families spend 17.1% of their annual income on education compared to just 1-2% for US households. So while China spends less public funds on students, they actually spend about the same if not more in total than US spending per pupil.
Once you toss in the dramatic difference in cost of living in China vs NC, the analysis changes even more to show China spends more per student that we do in NC.
Hope that helps.
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Or maybe the average Shanghai student is just smarter than the average Chicago student…
They are smarter. Because they work harder for it. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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No, you’re wrong on this, “Professor”. In my grammar school the brightest boys were placed in the A stream, and one lad worked his tail off to get in. Crabtree was a nice lad and we all empathized with him because he was always finishing near or at the bottom of our class, despite being such a sedulous student.
He hung on in 3A and 4A, but his parents asked for him to be returned to the regular classes at that point. There was nothing he could do to upgrade his innate intelligence because it is an impossible task.
We are born with the brain we are given. Some are lucky; some are not.
You have my commiserations.
Very study and every valid source says you are wrong. They further say people that spew your point of view do so from a racist bias. I bet that is why you don’t use your real name. Dno’t want everyone around you to know hat a racist person you are at your core.
But you be you.
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No, that’s not true and you must know it’s untrue – or else you are very ignorant and/or lying through your teeth. This is the perennial Nurture v. Nature argument that wages on among scientists and sociologists.
I believe that unintelligent people fail to create successful societies because they are unintelligent. It’s obvious, really. The average IQ in Sub-Saharan Africa is around 70, which is considered mentally retarded in the West. It explains the condition of Africa.
You believe that the conditions in Africa have caused people to be stupid. You have it completely ass backward, as usual.
So spare us the predictable smears and character assassination. Everything I have said is true.
And I use a pseudonym because of the potential of violence and retribution against my family, myself, and my business. I often criticize Islam in these columns. Muslims can be very nasty, violent spiteful people. I was almost murdered by one in the Borough Market attack (2017) had I been there 24 hours later. Some of the militant sexual deviants can be just as nasty.
You explained that you now wish to protect your identity in these columns – so you can’t criticize me for doing so, unless you’re a shameless two-faced posturing hypocrite.
I’m Austin Morris. Deal with it.
Austin. Yes, every study on IQ notes that the environment has a major impact on IQ. Diet, Prenatal healthcare, early childhood nutrition, etc… I have commented on those studies and you ignore them and just attack me personally or restate your own bigoted view of the word without ever presenting any facts, source, etc… that counter the studies findings I share with you. (This is your classic approach to willful ignorance).
Again, I will give you the definition of racism: The belief that humans may be divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called ‘races: that there is causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural and behavioral features; and that some races are innately superior to others.
This is exactly what you are arguing for is it not? So why shrug the title of being a racist?
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So many falsehoods, so little time….
And don’t bother cherry picking any studies that serve to confirm your naive beliefs. Books have been written on this issue, for centuries.
“The Bell Curve” is one. I suggest you read it — IF you can handle a reality check.
Different races have different IQs.
Fact.
“So many falsehoods, so little time” is a cop out if I ever heard one. Austin fights in supoort of the very definition of racism and gets upset he is labeled a racist. Only a twisted conservative could come up with that one. Lmao
The books (and really i have only found one) was long ago debunked by modern science.
But stay stupid. It fits you.
The average student in dog obedience class is smarter than Chicago students. (not sarcasm, just the raw truth.)
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Dead right.
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SAT scores were basically the same for Chicago schools as Greensboro’s schools. The average score is between 1100 to 1138 for these schools districts.
But you be you. Hate is an awful drug when mixed with ignorance.
cheryl, THAT is why their teachers/parents resist ‘tests’ – ‘tests’ don’t accurately measure ‘shuk n jive’
China has no diversity. Diversity is not a strength and China, Russia, S. Korea, and Japan know it. There is no coincidence that education started failing after school integration and after changes in emigration laws that favored so, so many non-Western Europeans into our country.
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Correct. Teddy Kennedy effectively repealed long standing immigration law, and opened the floodgates in 1965.
I think you broke your record for the most bigoted statement yet on Rhino Times.
The major difference in China impacting schools isn’t lack of diversity. It is their culture. In China if your child fails, they fail. This creates so much pressure that families invest far more into their children’s early education. In China the kids are key to a parents retirement quality of life so parents have a very deep interest in their kids success. (see my earlier comment on parent spending on education in china vs us). Here in the US, we pass forward even the failing the kids and give them 2, 3, 4, etc.. chances to still succeed. So parents take the lazy route and blame the schools when it is THEIR lack of support, investment and involvement that is really the reason their kids fail.
I showed you data in my earlier comment that illustrates fact. Bet you don’t have any data or valid source to prove your point. But I get it, you tunk it so it mus be troo. I promise you are wrong.
Best wishes
profess: american culture materialism pushes 2 parent families to both work multiple jobs with DAY CARE adults educating the kids HA HA HA
There was a time in this country where people in general admired success whether it be a student, coworker, or neighbor to a degree that others tried to emulate their success. This elevated society. This is no longer true. This is the result of turning away from meritocracy to equity and DEI. It started with affirmative action, a teacher’s nightmare. Even though AA started in 1961 directed at employment, it spread to every sector in our society, including education. AA was started as an executive order by John Kennedy, not a congressionally passed law. The AA executive order could have been reversed but wasn’t.
There was no public-school blame game prior to the 1960s. There was enormous respect for teachers. Now teachers must deal with so many problems that hinder an effective education, including students who cannot speak English; including parents who think they know what curriculum is best taught; including fights at schools that are so disruptive to learning; including phones in schools, and on and on.
You may say my comments are bigoted but viewed in the light of the results that public schools are delivering, there is no doubt that education started its downfall in the 1960s and has accelerated since. Witness the number of students withdrawn from public schools, and the test scores. Facts can be a harsh and painful thing to face. But I do not need a bunch of data that can be manipulated when I know what my eyes can see.
Kids who can’t speak English make up less than 10% of total students. They are not disruptive to classes as they are pulled out from regular classes for targeted, standards based English instruction. In schools with larger number of English Learning students in Guilford County, specialists and general education teachers work together in the same classroom to support these students.
Guilford County also has ‘Newcomers Schools’ that are specialized campuses specifically for recently arrived immigrants and refugees to help them adjust to US schools’ system.
There are a number of issues that impact the ability of our public schools to perform. Diversity isn’t one of them. You can complain about the additive cost, but Guilford County and most school districts do a good job of addressing the challenge English Learning student offer, so they don’t disrupt classrooms. My teacher friends will tell you they tend to be the quietest kids in the classroom.
But you be you
we invested in desegreg BUSES
Not much on this forum helps anymore. Except how to frame an insult.
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Miller, only the two liberals here have used insults like “bigoted” and “racist” (Professor Chris), and “scum” (Polly Pocket). Professor Chris also accused a commenter of being addicted to “hate” and “ignorance”. He always drags down the discussion, and routinely insults people he disagrees with.
So far, no conservative has insulted anyone.
Tells you a lot about their nature, don’t it?
Lol those are lables not insults. And your fighting in supoort of the very definition of racism makes it a good fit for you and Austin (or what ever his real name is).
Just because you all are so well versed in incredibly thinly-veiled dog whistling to your fellow racists does not mean that there hasn’t been a hateful word spewed in this comment section. Here are few examples:
“The average IQ in Sub-Saharan Africa is around 70, which is considered mentally retarded in the West. …You believe that the conditions in Africa have caused people to be stupid. You have it completely ass backward, as usual.” -Austin Morris
Obvious intent of comment (AKA the dog whistle): black people are naturally stupid and are innately lesser than other races.
“The average student in dog obedience class is smarter than Chicago students.” -Cheryl Lynn
Translation: black people are stupid.
“There was no public-school blame game prior to the 1960s. There was enormous respect for teachers. Now teachers must deal with so many problems that hinder an effective education, including students who cannot speak English…” -TERMLIMITS
Translation: black and brown children, particularly ones that cannot speak English, are bad and should never have mixed in with our precious white angel babies.
So as professor says, just own being a racist. You’re not fooling anyone.
Oh, some other interesting fact about China vs US education. Chinese students often spend 10+ hours a day in class, followed by extensive private tutoring (that is the extra money spent by household).
Even scarier when you consider many of the folks now making the decisions were taught common core math & modern social(ist) studies by the same institutions.
. . . & their genius earns them the > $$ jobs in ‘our’ economy ! while our(your) kids study ‘scripture’
Guilford County Taxpayers,
Apparently Skip the Omnipotent has channeled the ghost of P.T. “There’s a sucker born every minute” Barnum with a bit of Marie “Let them eat cake” Antoinette thrown in.
Come to think of it, Marie Antoinette a great handle for the “Vice Chair” instead of Igor.
Just a thought.
I’ve never read such a fluff piece as I just read. Skip has been taking OUR money and wasting it on nonsense for as long as I can remember. He runs Guilford County like his own little fifedom and we must all be his loyal minions. The rest of the council are clearly terrified of him or lick his boots in the hopes he’ll drop them a crumb or two.
As for this nonsense of this unreasonable ridiculous over evaluated money grab that’s inflating the values our homes. Funny, this is going to injure us in 2 ways. Not only via taxes but our homeowners insurance (bet nobody figured this one out). All homeowner insurance companies are going to up our rates. Yes… because it’ll cost more to rebuild or repair our homes in case of a peril. The other day on the NextDoor site someone rudely said “Hey Boomers, looks like you’re gonna have to adjust your spending”… I’m guessing he was a renter which brings me to another point that many missed. Landlords don’t rent because of a “Labor of Love” they are business people. They will absolutely raise your rent to offset their new costs.
Let’s all get together and get rid of the pariahs that run Guilford County. This is not a Democrat or Republican issue, this is a human survival issue. Let’s let the council members know they are expendable, especially Skip.
Thank you, now let’s all get out there and vote like your life depends on it.
The voters keep sending you-know-what to the City & County Councils. So whose fault is it?
Just to be clear, you-know-what is black people, right? I can’t imagine you’d be hiding behind “you-know-what” to avoid calling out liberals.
Talk about smoke and mirrors… this still doesn’t address the fact that we already know that we need more than $2 billion to finish the school projects that are underway. It would be financially prudent to take the 2/3 money and finish the school project but financial prudence doesn’t appear to be a Hall Mark of this council.
Debt is debt. It appears the County and City have little or no concern for the welfare of hard working citizens and those who are retired. With the numerous pet projects we pay for which benefit the select chosen few, nothing will get better for the average tax paying citizen. You voted these spend thrifts into office. Are you happy now? Has your financial situation improved over the last few years? Use your vote wisely.
“In essence, when the county pays down debt in a given year, it can then borrow back up to two-thirds of that amount the following year.” So, if you are a taxpayer and prefer to avoid endless tax increases, you would be wise to vote against all new bond or debt proposals put to a vote. Whatever need the County cites can always be paid for with new borrowing equal to two thirds of the debt retired in the prior year. If the County believes it needs new funds, it can simply retire the amount of debt necessary to cover the need, and issue new debt equal to two thirds of the retirement without approval by voters. Since we, the taxpayers, ultimately will pay both the interest and principal on the County credit card, why vote to increase the Credit card limit? Just like in the real world, if you pay off your outstanding balance every month, the bank will be happy to increase your limit. If you fall behind, they won’t. Neither should we.
Right, 2/3 bonds will extort MORE money from the Taxpayer. Those who bothered to show up at the polls are responsible for this. Those who didn’t bother are responsible for the the DSP govt you have in Guilford County & City. So it is the uniformed and apathetic TAXPAYERS who are responsible for all this.
a very large # of guvmnt employees who live here will now contribute $$ to support wut they ‘build. ‘ i like it. therez a certain amount of fairness in it
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Nope, that’s a zero sum game, and circular reasoning as well.
what % of guilford co people subsist on guvmnt $, do u think ? AL
Nearly 40% of Guilford County residents receive Medicaid benefits (health care for indigents).
This is a voting block that wants their free stuff.
Miller, where did you get that number, the number I find is 23.7%.
Half of those on Medicaid are children. Over 20% are seniors or disabled (who account for over half of the expenditures).
Over 65% of adults enrolled in medicaid are working but work in low-income jobs.
They don’t want free stuff…..they want healthcare. Only a heartless person believes people should be left on the street sick, dying, etc… even though they can’t work or work in low-income jobs. Healthcare should be a human right.
the resident guvmnt live, contribute & create the same environment we live in, Al H. ‘it is in the shelter of each other that the People live’ irish proverb
al, who won what to cause who’s loss of what ? ‘circular reasoning’ implies that scientists shouldn’t have an hypothesis or theory before experimentation ?
The festering cesspool of bold-faced racism in the Rhino Times comment section on a good day is appalling. But this comment section is utterly disturbing. You are all proof that the US (and NC, particular) isn’t spending nearly enough on education. Nothing is free, you ignorant (deleted).
*Scott, please protect my right to free speech and hateful language the same way you do for the rest of these scum and do not censor my comment. DOn’T tReaD oN mE.
Polly, the racists comments that you see are nothing compared to the truly hateful and ignorant ones that I throw out completely. One time I wrote an article about a person hired by a local government and the person happened to be black. One reader sent in a one word response. It was simply the N word.
That is horrifying and I don’t envy the task of moderating this comment section. Thank you for posting 99% of my comment (and I do understand the bleep lol).
Neutral ? scott
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Polly, Scott is outstandingly courageous and unequaled locally in his willingness to publish comments provided by local citizens, even if they upset people who embrace the contemporary politically correct woke consensus.
You are clearly jealous of your right to free speech.
I suggest you extend the same freedom to those with whom you disagree.
And don’t call us “scum”, dear.
Or we might reciprocate in kind and just tell you to eff off.
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Bet I’m more educated than you.
Many racists like you are educated Austin. You simply choose not to read, learn, or even explore that your belief in the genetic differences of ‘races’ is not accurate, has long been disproven by science and fits the actual definition of racism. Your arrogance and bigotry feed your ‘I thunk it so it mus be troo’ logic on the subject even though science long ago proved you wrong.
Again:
The definition of racism is: The belief that humans may be divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called ‘races: that there is causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural and behavioral features; and that some races are innately superior to others.
This is exactly what you are arguing for is it not? So why shrug the title of being a racist?
Educated doesn’t mean intellengnce…..I went to the same college as you and even went on to a master’s degree, and we all know what you think of me. LMAO
Hey Austin,
I don’t really know you except through this forum and while we do occasionally disagree on some things I respect you and your opinions, so I’m simply giving you a suggestion as far as Chris/Professor/Polly Pocket/Whatever Other Name He’s Using/Going To Use. When you feed an animal, no matter how much you don’t care for them, they will keep coming back and annoy you.
On a side note, I find it amusing how he keeps posting under that ‘professor’ nom de plume (that’s a false name Chris).
Alan, you do know Austin isn’t his real name. Given his common hate, bigoted and racist comments, I assume.you are not that surprised.
Have to admit thst I am surprised to see you defend his racist views on IQ differences between ‘races’.
But you be you.
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Say that a third time, “Professor”.
When you say it three times, that makes it true! !!
How do you define racism Austin if not how I have played out…..oh right, you are just avoiding having to admit i am right.
i bet $1 sans inflationary effects
…How can one be jealous of their own right to free speech? That makes zero sense. Nice try, though. And please do tell me to eff off. It would be far from the worst thing you’ve said across every Rhino article you comment on.
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Bet you’re not. I have a master’s degree from UNC Chapel Hill. But that doesn’t make me better than you or anyone else.
OK Austin,
You won the bet…Chris/Professor/Polly Pocket/Sybil/M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E just confirmed what we already knew…all the same person with a serious psychological personality/identity problem…with a Master’s Degree from UNC Chapel Hill.
Insults and attempted superior, you-are-a-peasant put downs begin in 3—2—1—and….
Polly Pocket,
I developed an attitude that pretty well covers your concerns…Regardless of race, sex, color, creed. religious beliefs, sexual or political orientation I hold EVERYONE in equal disdain. It changes when you demonstrate your ability to to be a member of the HUMAN RACE.
Makes my life so much easier.
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Ain’t it weird how “educators” can make any issue into a reason why they deserve more money?
Today’s excuse : Waycism !
Genuine question: do you really believe that teachers don’t deserve to be paid more?
Disingenuous question: who hurt you?
al, everybody does it but i consider ‘reparations’ as ‘racism’ & those who espouse it as thieves requiring immediate ‘remediation’ by ‘relocation’