Every July, county officials from across America gather for the National Association of Counties Annual Conference, and every summer hardworking taxpayers ask the same question: Is it an important educational conference or just a taxpayer-funded vacation for county leaders?
This year’s five-day conference trip, beginning Thursday, July 16, in New Orleans, is likely to revive that debate in Guilford County and in counties across the country.
Guilford County has been sending representatives to NACo conferences for decades. However, the size of the county’s delegation has grown steadily over the years.
When I first began covering Guilford County government in 2002, it wasn’t unusual for only two or three commissioners to attend the annual conference – and that was when the board consisted of 11 commissioners. Occasionally, the county manager would make the trip as well, but it was uncommon to see a large contingent of Guilford County commissioners and senior county staff traveling to the event.
That’s all changed, and this year is a great example.
Vice Chairwoman Carlvena Foster and Commissioners Kay Cashion, Carly Cooke, Mary Beth Murphy and Brandon Gray-Hill are scheduled to attend, along with Clerk to the Board Robin Keller.
The county is also sending County Manager Victor Isler, Assistant County Manager Natalie Craver, Special Projects Manager Abby Banask and Deputy Chief Information Officer Partha Momidi.
County officials noted that the list could grow because additional staff members may be added after Guilford County received five national achievement awards from NACo.
Chairman of the Guilford County Board of Commissioners Skip Alston, one of the conference’s strongest supporters, said he won’t be attending this year because it conflicts with the annual gala for the International Civil Rights Center & Museum, which he co-founded.
Alston said he hates to have to miss it.
“The conferences are very beneficial, very much so,” Alston said. “You go there and attend workshops and you learn what other commissioners are doing in their area. I’ve been doing that for years. Whenever they would publish the schedule of workshops and seminars, I would look to see what I had an interest in and what could be helpful to Guilford County.”
“You get a chance to meet other commissioners from places like New York or California,” he added, “and you bring that information back that can help us solve our problems.”
The board’s two Republican commissioners – Pat Tillman and Alan Perdue – aren’t scheduled to make the trip to the Big Easy.
County officials say there are good reasons for counties to participate in a big way. They argue that local governments across the country wrestle with many of the same issues, and commissioners and county administrators can learn from one another instead of reinventing the wheel.
Whether the conference ultimately proves worthwhile is harder to measure. Guilford County officials have attended NACo conferences for decades, but there’s no formal accounting of which ideas presented at the conferences eventually became county policy.
Some critics see the trips differently. They argue that the conferences are thinly veiled taxpayer-funded junkets that send elected officials and senior administrators to fun destinations around the country with little accountability as to how much they participate once they arrive.
It’s true that the educational opportunities are real.
Officials who spend their days attending workshops, asking questions and networking with colleagues from around the country can come home with useful ideas and valuable contacts.
At the same time, attendance at individual workshops generally isn’t tracked in any meaningful way, and several events are often going on at once. That makes it impossible for taxpayers to know who spent the week in meeting rooms and who may have spent considerably more time enjoying the host city.
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Like most conferences, you get out of it what you put into it.
This year’s schedule includes sessions on artificial intelligence, behavioral health, cybersecurity, workforce development, disaster preparedness, housing, transportation and a variety of other issues affecting county governments.
One workshop, the “Mosquito, Termite and Rodent Control Hands-on Tour,” offers just what the name says: a hands-on tour where participants can learn how New Orleans combats rats, mosquitoes and other pests that threaten public health.
NACo’s own conference website encourages attendees to “Get to Know NOLA,” highlighting restaurants, attractions and neighborhoods throughout the city. Among the featured attractions is the internationally known Tales of the Cocktail Festival, which overlaps with the conference and is promoted as one of New Orleans’ signature events. The cocktail festival isn’t part of the NACo conference registration, and any personal entertainment would be paid for separately.
Conference destinations have long fueled criticism.
One of the most controversial NACo conferences came in 2005, when the annual meeting was held in Hawaii. Taxpayers around the country questioned why county officials needed to gather in one of the world’s premier vacation destinations at great cost.
Then-Rhino Times Editor John Hammer came up with what seemed like the logical response. At least I usually give him the credit.
I honestly don’t remember whether it was John or me who first said, “You know what would be funny? What would be funny is if we sent someone to Hawaii to follow the commissioners around and see what they do.”
We laughed and laughed about the idea.
A couple of days later, John Hammer walked over to my desk and said, “Get me a price on Hawaii.”
If Guilford County commissioners were going to Hawaii, the Rhino should go too.
So he sent me.
I took a flight that arrived a few hours before theirs so I could greet them at the airport as soon as they got off the plane.
When Guilford County commissioners Paul Gibson and Bruce Davis stepped off the airplane in Honolulu and saw me, they just stood there, stunned. They certainly weren’t expecting to find a Rhino Times reporter waiting to greet them in a tropical paradise.
The Rhino Times was one of only two mainland news organizations to send a reporter to cover the conference. The other was a local television station from South Carolina that sent a reporters.
It turned out to be an interesting week.
There were serious policy discussions, educational workshops and plenty of opportunities to exchange ideas with county officials from around the country.
There were also beaches, luaus, one fantastic rooftop party and enough tourist attractions to remind everyone why holding a government conference in Hawaii had become such a political issue.
More than two decades later, the conference still presents much the same picture.
According to travel information obtained from Guilford County through a public records request from the Rhino Times, the estimated costs for Foster, Cashion, Cooke, Murphy, Gray-Hill, Keller and Momidi total roughly $16,600, with individual trips ranging from about $2,143 to more than $2,800.
Hotel costs for Isler, Craver and Banask hadn’t been finalized when the county released the figures, meaning the overall cost will be higher.
If Isler, Craver and Banask each stay approximately five nights at the county’s estimated hotel rate, the total cost would rise above $25,000 even before meals, ground transportation and other reimbursable expenses are added in. Their final hotel costs and lengths of stay hadn’t been determined when the county responded to the records request.
The county also noted that airfare varied depending on when flights were booked and that travel planning was still underway because additional staff members could attend in recognition of Guilford County’s five national achievement awards.
For some reason, the commissioners’ round-trip airfare is about $500 or $600; the manager’s airfare is estimated at $971 and change, and Gray-Hill’s airfare is $1,138.
County staff members who aren’t the manager are flying round trip for about $430 – perhaps they’re being put in the back rows of a Breeze Airways flight.
According to the county’s records, conference registration costs $575 apiece for the commissioners, $675 apiece for several staff members and $700 for Momidi.
The conference hotel rate for commissioners is $219 per night. The county estimated hotel costs of about $375 per night for Isler, Craver and Banask, although their final bills weren’t available.
Commissioners and county employees sometimes bring spouses or other family members on conference trips, but taxpayers aren’t charged for those travelers’ expenses.
The names, airfare, registration fees, hotel estimates and incomplete cost figures above are based on the county’s travel-cost response

Scott,
You forgot to figure in family and friends they’ll be taking along, most likely as ‘assistants’. The other thing is the number going.
One other thing, what about getting a breakdown on what our Commissars spend and posting that. Add to it John’s trick of sending someone to enjoy NO the same way our Commissars do.
Signed
Sons of Liberty
No other paper/online news would this make the Front Page story. THAT is why all counties need a Rhino Times to keep an eye on the smaller issues that matter. Wish we had a Rhino Times in Orange County where I now live. It is so much harder to keep track of what local leaders are up to here.
Spend, spend, spend no wonder the budget is shot Zoom is the only viable way to get the same results without spending 200 thousand.
I found it interesting Skip should mention New York and California as the commissioners they could meet and possibly learn something from. Lord, I hope not.
Sheriff Barnes,
Should the minions of Guilford County start calling “Skip TO my Lew” Alston “Zoarhon” in honor of who he wants to be like!
Hey! It’s not their money. Don’t sweat it.
Once again light is shed on government officials with no accountability. How about a report to the citizens that proves this was worth the expense we pay?
perhaps they will stay ? ‘let us pray . . . ‘
Wishing, hoping, or praying do not work. Only the ballot box legally works. The vote solution does not work in Guilford County. Most of the voters do not bother to show up, especially for off-year terms and special elections.
The City council has their elections on obscure dates; but they get out the vote of the faithful, and those on the govt teat or the dole.
Being that 99% of the board are in Real Estate and make 6 figures per year should pay their own way to these gatherings . Being that my wife and I are on fixed incomes and the lower rung of the proverbial ladder , I choose that they should pay their own way for their vacation trips ! Their robbing us enough as it is .
Please total the estimated costs.
Why send big spenders when a term on county board ends this year? They need Math 101 education rather than just spend and outrageous increases in our property tax A.V Assessed Value. Also need legal lessons and consequences for failure to comply with NC Public Records Request. I do not think the conference will help them when they have not represented or listened to taxpayers past year and more.
But, I thought our County was running out of money? They had to go up on the taxes astronomically because the county had no money. So why is the county paying for these people to go on this vacation? Let them pay for it out of their own personal pocket if they want to go!! It is not my job as a taxpayer to pay for them to go to trips like this! This is unbelievable! So of course many people who work for the county is going to go because it’s not on their dime. This is beyond ridiculous! This should not be allowed and somebody somewhere needs to stand up and put a stop to this travesty! Let them pay for their own trips. Taxpayer money should not be doing this and I for one want back my share of my money! There has to be a way we can file a civil lawsuit against Guilford County for misappropriation of tax funds!
Why are these people still in office? The only thing they represent for their own interests and what they want to do and they could care less about the taxpayers of this county. These people need to go and they need to go as quick as possible before we are all bankrupt. Someone please get in there and run for the office so we can get these people out.
This trip stands for Skip Alston’s middle finger to the taxpayers of Guilford County. Only one of the vacationers is on the ballot in November 2026, Carlvena Foster, District 1. This trip will not hurt her chances for reelection.
Skip Alston is showing defiance and disregard to all Guilford County voters except for District 8, his own district. Regardless, District 8 will continue to vote for Skippy even if he no longer is running, the voters will write his name in under “any other candidate” spot. So much for the mental acuity of District 8 voters.
Conferences can be worthwhile but more often than not, attendees use it as an excuse to travel, especially to a place that is known for excitement, which New Orleans is. Having said that, the politicians or staff are free to travel to conferences, just not on the taxpayers’ dime. With Guilford County Commissioners’ budget, where are the funds found in the budget?
There is more talk in Congress about term limits. Let’s start with NC. ALL elected political offices must have term limits, including county commissioners. It must start in Raleigh. So, get your pen and paper, your computer, or your messenger pigeon and demand term limits.
TERMLIMITS,
I’m glad to see people starting to come around to what I have been beliving and finally started to advocate for for a while. Unfortunately as our history has progressed the old saying has become a norm, “the cream will rise to the top…unfortunately so does the scum.”
IMO the scum is outrunning the cream.
Patrick like you Austin and I have been saying the same thing about term limits for years. People please call, write or stand in the street and scream it’s time for term limits for ALL elected officials
Rebel
Here, Here
I hope they sweat their useless butts off !
So Skip thinks you can get ideas from commissioners from New York and California and bring those ideas back to Guilford County. Huh??? At tax payer expense. Where is the DSA Greensboro chapter located? Just more BS and waste from the bobbleheads …I mean commissioners.
Jv that remark: “You get a chance to meet other commissioners from places like New York or California,” he added, “and you bring that information back that can help us solve our problems.” was what jumped out at me first too! I haven’t lived here for 38 years to see our leaders want to see how they can pattern us more after New York or California than they are already doing!
Also, what five national achievement awards from NACO are they receiving? No wonder Pat Tillman and Alan Perdue aren’t going to make the trip to the Big Easy. They probably would have had to pay their own way! Just ‘sayin!”
Have any of y’all ever been to New Orleans in July? I have, and it’s AWFUL! If you’ve ever wondered what heat & humidity gone wild would be like, this is it! I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. At least the Skipster, for whatever reason, has sense enough NOT to go.
Let’s fund a trip for Scott to follow them and report on their daily activities. Actually, Scott, just ask Roy Carroll. He can afford it.
I’ll see what he says. Good idea Don.
Unless the Republicans come up with a good candidate, NC will be saddled down with the Coop. Oh, the horror.
I suggest Roy Carroll.
Something is terribly wrong here. When I ran a business before I retired if the market was slow and our revenue was down we would cut way back on sending any employees t to seminars or do any outside training. This would cut our cost of operations and reduce our expenses. What the heck does our government management think is happening right now. We are way over budgets on expenses but we are sending all these people to this seminar and convention. MSN this has to stop and stop now!!!!
I thought not one dime could be cut from either the county or city budget. In fact to cover necessities they needed to raise taxes. One or two people could go and report back. One could go and accept backslapping awards. Our tax dollars at work. They could give a s?!& that most of aren’t going on vacation this summer. And believe me these conferences are a vacation with a few meetings.
The $1000 flight is either at a premium time of day or business class.
If the trip goes up to $30,000, you’re talking about 0.00337% of the Guilford County budget of $889,196,646 for the fiscal year. Just to get a little perspective.
You have the perspective of a Democrat. If a person robs a store of a $100.00 item and their defense when caught is the store is worth millions, that person may be a Democrat.
Yes it is a small percentage of the total budget. However it’s still real money that could pay for needed things or never taken from the taxpayers. This is an example of a poorly ran organization. There are better ways to accomplish this exchange of information. We need people that are more business minded in these positions.
It’s the principle of spending money we tax payers don’t have. Send one person and have them video it. We can’t afford all these people going on this trip!
cancel these trips & use the saved $ to ‘pay raise’ our teachers ?
In the future, since they are there to learn, the County can pay for double occupancy rooms and 2 commissioners can share a room. If they want to take a family member, then they can pay for the entire room themselves instead of the county paying for it. O/W the family member gets to stay free and not have to pay for a room which is not fair to the taxpayers who are paying for their trip. Also, limit the number of people that can attend, maybe 2-3 commissioners and maybe the County manager. The 2 or 3 that go can take notes to share with the rest. Sending 10 or more is a waste of Taxpayer money when they should be trying to control costs so they do not keep raising the tax rate. To me the trip this year is a big waste of taxpayer money.