You might think that the fact that Guilford County Schools is teaching fewer students each year would mean that the cost of those education operations would be going down. However, each year, no matter the number of students, school officials claim they need more money and in the new county managers proposed budget the schools would get millions more in fiscal 2026-2027.
One of the most interesting tensions in Guilford County government right now is this fact that, even as student enrollment declines, the amount of money flowing toward Guilford County Schools continues to increase dramatically every year.
In 2010, Guilford County Schools enrollment was about 73,205 students. Current enrollment is now roughly between 67,000 and 68,000 students depending on the measurement source: Guilford County Schools currently describes district enrollment as about 68,000 students, while the most recently completed school year showed enrollment at approximately 67,620 students for 2024-25,
That raises an obvious question for many taxpayers: If there are fewer students, why does the school system keep needing more money?
Guilford County Manager Victor Isler’s proposed fiscal 2026-2027 budget puts that tension front and center. His budget calls for an additional $25 million in school operating support along with another $33.5 million in debt service support connected to school construction bonds and capital improvements.
Combined, school-related increases account for 64 percent of the amount above the county’s revenue-neutral tax rate.
At the same time, the budget acknowledges that Guilford County’s school-age population is currently declining: It states that lower birth rates and broader demographic trends have reduced the number of school-age children in Guilford County.
And many assume that fewer students should naturally mean lower school spending. However, school advocates argue that public education doesn’t work that way.
For one thing, many school costs don’t disappear just because enrollment declines.
Schools still need:
- Buildings
- HVAC systems
- Roofs
- Teachers
- Bus drivers
- Cafeteria workers
- Security systems
- Technology
- Transportation
- Maintenance
- Administrative staff
And, in Guilford County’s case, many of those costs are increasing rapidly. There’s the new hit on gas prices for school buses for instance and the cost increases created by tariffs on imported building materials.
Guilford County finance officials are currently preparing for planned bond issuances of approximately $565 million in fiscal year 2027-2028 and another $565 million in fiscal year 2030-2031 to fund long-term capital improvement plans involving school renovations, repairs, technology and facility modernization.
One factor school advocates point to is that many Guilford County school buildings are old. Some date back decades and require extensive upgrades to heating and cooling systems, plumbing, electrical systems and security infrastructure.
Those kinds of costs don’t usually shrink when enrollment drops.
Another factor is personnel costs. Even though student enrollment is declining, many county leaders and school supporters argue that many school employees remain underpaid compared to surrounding districts or compared to what they could make in private-sector jobs.
The county manager’s proposed budget includes a phased classified employee pay plan intended to improve salaries for bus drivers, cafeteria workers, custodians and other support staff.
The budget also points out that Guilford County currently ranks fifth statewide in principal supplements and third in assistant principal supplements – but only 23rd in teacher supplements.
County and school officials say that weak teacher supplements make it harder to compete for teachers.
And there’s another major issue at play: charter schools.
North Carolina law requires that traditional public school districts transfer a portion of local funding to charter schools based on enrollment numbers. That means that Guilford County Schools can lose students without necessarily seeing large reductions in many of its fixed operating costs.
For instance, if 20 students leave a high school, the school system will lose funding tied to those students – but still can’t eliminate:
- Part of a roof
- Half a bus route
- One wing of a school
- A cafeteria
- A principal
- Heating and cooling costs
Public school systems remain financially responsible for maintaining large physical infrastructure systems even when enrollment drops.
The county budget now on the table also points to another reality: county leaders believe the current enrollment decline might not last forever.
The proposed budget repeatedly references expected long-term population growth connected to economic development projects involving aviation, advanced manufacturing, health sciences and bioprocess manufacturing. According to estimates in the budget, Guilford County’s population is projected to grow by about 86,000 people over the next 20 years.
The county’s vast economic development growth will eventually bring lots of additional families and students into the community. So county leaders seem to be trying to prepare for both current realities and future growth at the same time. Chairman of the Guilford County Board of Commissioners Skip Alston constantly points to this as a reason the county has to spend a lot of money not get ready for education needs and other services increases before it’s too late to adequately do so.
However, there are clearly plenty of strapped taxpayers who remain highly skeptical about the pace of school spending growth.
Education already represents one of the largest components of county spending. When school debt service, operating support and other educational spending are combined, education consumes an enormous portion of Guilford County’s overall budget structure – over forty percent most years.
And, unlike one-time spending, much of the new school funding now being discussed by the county commissioners becomes recurring spending:
- Salary increases
- Technology replacement programs
- Safety and security funding
- Debt payments
- Capital maintenance
Those keep coming back year after year.
County officials repeatedly use school needs to point to the possibility of “future revenue diversification” through the proposed quarter-cent sales tax referendum. The budget frames that referendum as a way to reduce future reliance on property taxes while helping support long-term education obligations.
County commissioners appear to have come to the realization that maintaining the current trajectory of education spending entirely through property taxes could eventually become politically difficult and eventually cost them their commissioner jobs.
There’s also a broader philosophical debate happening underneath all of this. Some residents believe that strong public schools are one of the most important long-term investments a community can make – particularly if Guilford County hopes to continue to compete economically with faster-growing metro areas.
Others are kind of alarmed that, unlike a decade ago, there are long lines almost everywhere and Battleground is packed with cars even at, say, 2 p.m. on a Tuesday. Some residents argue that school spending is growing faster than taxpayers can realistically sustain – especially right now, during a very difficult economy and a period of declining enrollment.
As school debt repayment ratchets up in the coming years, the debate and the tension will magnify and increasingly focus on how much growth the county’s taxpayers are willing to pay and how long the current pace of education costs increases can continue.

Hmm, Skippy says he needs to raise taxes because lots more people are coming to Greensboro. The real question in my mind if that is true, why are there declining school enrollments. Is it perhaps there was a significant amount of illegal alien students that self deported or more likely, people have figured out the our public schools are broken and have found better education opportunities elsewhere?
Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Do you have anything other than your gut to support the theory? Data actually frames the source of the issue very differently. The folks looking into and forecast attendance note three primary changes driving the decline:
– While Guilford County’s overall population has grown, census data shows that the boom largely consists of adults without children or an aging population.
– Birth rates declining: The number of live births and incoming kindergarteners in the county has been dropping over the last 7 to 8 years, reducing the overall pool of potential students.
– Growing popularity of charter schools, private schools and homeschooling.
No mention of immigrants and given the duration and consistency of the decline I don’t think your theory holds water.
Source: https://simbli.eboardsolutions.com/Meetings/Attachment.aspx?S=11102&AID=425263&MID=16487
It is sad that so many conservatives knee jerk is to blame immigrants for all our problems when in actuality, they were more a part of the solution. With declining birth rates, having a strong immigration policy can keep the US from falling into the economic pains of declining birth rates and the costs of an aging population.
professor, do you know that there are two (2) Newcommer schools in Guilford County devoted to educating illegal immigrants, one in Greensboro and one in High Point, paid for with property tax money? The one in Greensboro is Doris Henderson Newcomers School and the one in High Point is Sylvia Mendez Newcomers School. Allegedly, the students attend for one year before enrolling in regular public schools. Do you believe that a year in a Newcommer school prepares the illegal immigrant for transitioning to public school population? Do you believe that Guilford County property tax money should go to educating illegal immigrants? The Chamber of Commerce is most likely behind the Newcommer schools. Property taxpayers, remember this when you receive your property tax bill in July.
I am aware we have schools that help with immigrants and refugees. Note we still have a large population of legal immigrants and refugees in this country. Makes sense to move students with a need for learning English as a second language to specialized schools. I am a big fan.
I believe all children should be offered an education.
I have no idea if one year is enough. Kids do learn languages faster than adults. But a fair question for sure.
Did you really think all the kids at the school were undocumented? Weird.
It doesn’t matter the number of illegals enrolled in newcomer schools; one is too many. Why not release the number of illegal immigrant students? Because government hides the truth about immigration. Educating illegal children paid for by property taxpayers should end along with payment of property taxes.
Why do I think the Chamber of Commerce is behind the newcomer schools? Because the Department of Commerce was behind the lawsuit Department of Commerce v. State of New York that resulted in blocking Trump administration’s attempt to add a citizenship question in the 2020 census. Since the DOC won the lawsuit before the US Supreme Court on the grounds of insufficient justification, a state should try again by reframing the cause of action.
A bill introduced in the House by Chuck Edwards (NC-11) that would require the Census Bureau to collect citizenship status data in every decennial census does not have a co-sponsor. What is the story here? Asking citizenship status was in the 1950 census. What has changed? Our anti-American culture, our pro-immigrant culture orchestrated by desire for cheap labor, and the Democrat party that sees illegals as power pawns.
Sounds like conspiracy theories and a lot of hate over a school that serves a valuable purpose for giving English as a second language kids a place to learn without disrupting regular classrooms and adding to the plate of already overwhelmed public school teachers. Just because you think one kid might be undocumented. Sad.
Amazing how much hate a conservative can have for kids.
But you be you.
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So now conservatives hate kids. Pretty soon “The Professor” will claim that we kill them and eat them.
If I was a new soul up in Heaven waiting to be born, and I was given a choice about whether to be given to a conservative family or a liberal one, I’d choose the conservative family every time.
Wouldn’t you?
That question is called a reality check.
Examples of Republican Polices that hurt children:
– Medicaid and CHIP Funding Cuts
– SNAP Benefit Disruptions
– Free School Meal Rollbacks
– Head Start Interruptions
– Federal Oversight Dismantling of DOE
– Anti-Vax policies and promotion of anti-vax conspiracy theories over science
– Immigration enforcement using Family Separations
– Canceled specific grant portfolios intended to study and prevent youth gun violence
– Reduced human services funding aimed at investigating child exploitation and tracking missing youth
– Reversed a ban on chlorpyrifos, a pesticide known to pose risks to child neurodevelopment
And Termlimits wanting to cancel a school that helps immigrant children assimilate into mainstream schools just because 1 might be undocumented?
Hope that helps.
Term Limits, it’s hard to argue with someone who is caught up in grandiloquence like the “professor” or Chris.
You are correct. And the republicans helped cause the problem with all the charter schools pulling money out of the system for their white washed schools. A political agenda on both sides is the problem overall.
Less students mean less need for a BLOATED administrative staff, which has copious amounts of assistant superintendents, all earning north of $150,000 per year. Why? Combine assignments just like a for profit corporation would, and lay off the dead wood.
It does not matter how much money the Guilford county schools get it will never be enough. This is the same scenario as the county commissioners constantly wanting more money. While the local governments and the federal governments are continuously asking for more money we are asked to cut back our spending. We don’t have a choice but to cut back our spending because of all the money that they are asking for and taking from us.
they’re not ‘dead wood’ just possibly unnecessary & the ‘leadershit’ can’t find purposeful motive (work) for them ? (my attorney told me to put ? after every communication)
Tax payers of Guilford County,
Do I faintly hear the soundtrack from “The Music Man” beginning to play, and getting louder?
Hope citizens will vote wisely. What reps we currently have are a cancer.
GREAT article Scott, fair and balanced, filled with facts.
At 77 I don’t have much of a dog in this fight ,except for my sky rocketing taxes. My children all abandoned Guilford County and their children have done well in less expensive counties. I started talking about this problem more than a year ago and finally, like a prairie dog, the Commissioner’s have pulled their head out of the sand to now cry wolf.
Less attendance requires less administrative staff, including principals and administrators. Giving that money to teachers makes more sense. Lastly, throughout my career my success drove my salary. “Poor direction equals poor performance “. Our students graduate with a skill set of a fourth grader. Why pay ALL teachers the same? and DON’T blame the system completely for that fact, amongst those reading at a fourth grade level are extremely bright well educated children. Stupidity starts at home and continues into the Country Commision.
Thanks, I’m glad you got something from it.
Yeah. Public schools are GOVT schools. Teaching what to think, not how to think. Guilford Co. is increasing in population, but Govt schools are declining in attendance. Does that tell you something? Duh.
No matter how much govt extorts from the taxpayer, they always want more.
If you are looking to find something our govt does well, don’t bother looking here. Ultimately, it is the VOTER who is responsible for all this; and they don’t have a clue. Most don’t bother to show up at the polls for local elections, that’s why the council has their elections in off-years.
Sounds like they need to consider how to consolidate the number of schools so they can reduce infrastructure costs and the need for bond funds.
Professor you are sooo very slow. In 1993 Guilford County had a school system,Greensboro City had a school system and High Point City had a school system. Then enter the brilliant talking heads with a grand idea. Combine all 3 together, cut administration costs, overhead and overlapping office space and save so much money. Golly gee let’s flash forward and look at the bloated mess we currently have. Try again professor. Our schools don’t need any more money until they can start producing students who can read for comprehension at grade level. This is the very minimum to get started with.
No idea how your response is related to my comment given I noted how reducing number of school buildings would reduce costs. Weird.
But with regard to your comment on need for funding, thankfully the NC legislature disagrees with you and is finally doing something about poor teacher compensation levels (currently ranked 46th in the nation). A 17% increase in new teacher pay is a great start to fixing one of the many problems with NC schools. While funding isn’t the only problem, it is unquestionable that it is indeed a problem and good for NC legislature for taking a critical step to address.
Best wishes
My point was just because GCS closes some schools and consolidates them that they would actually reduce their budget. That was the reasoning to consolidate all three systems in 1993 and look at the bloated, top heavy administrative mess we have now. It doesn’t matter how much they are given, it will never be enough. They have taken a page from skips playbook.
The consolidation of schools is more about reducing infrastructure overhead costs versus the merger of the districts that was about overhead administrative costs in my opinion so not really the same thing. But I don’t disagree that it didn’t prove effective looking back.
Thank you for the clarity.
I have lived in Greensboro for as long as I have lived in North Carolina which is now about 50 years. When I first moved here Charlotte seemed kind of a dump and Raleigh not much better. They have changed over the years much more than Greensboro seems to have changed. Maybe it was higher property taxes. But now ours are much higher and appear to be getting worse just when theirs are declining. I am trying hard to figure out what we Taxpayers are getting for the extra money. The County Manager’s speech failed to address that.
Cost of running a city is much higher during high growth periods versus steady periods. GC is now the growth areas where Raleigh and Charlotte have hit a steady period as the growth has spread to surrounding areas.
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Declining enrollment = “We demand more money!”
Increasing enrollment = “We demand more money!”
Stable enrollment = “We demand more money!”
– Get the picture?
I suggest the actual picture is more challenging:
– Guilford County Schools’ facilities were rated as being in poor or unsatisfactory condition. = We need more Captial
– NC ranked 47th in the nation in school funding per student = We need more funding
– NC teacher pay ranked 46th in the nation. = We need more funding
– NC ranks 41st in Statewide Adequacy. = We need more funding
We need more than money for sure as the current system isn’t working, but the lack funding of schools in NC has long been one of the challenges of schools. The strategy of conservatives has been to reduce public school funding and then other made-up problems ‘DEI’, Wokeism, etc…. so they can push tax dollars to private schools who are allowed to exclude low income, disabled, mentally challenged, and underperforming students in order to maintain profitability.
Professor Chris continues to beat his same old tired drum to his same sad song.
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True.
It would be worthwhile if he wasn’t so predictable, pedantic, and pedestrian.
He’s just a tiresome bore.
Thankfully NC Legislature agrees with me and is taking action at least on the teacher comp issue.
And yes, if you believe in something, you should beat the drum loud and often.
Best wishes
Professor while you’re beating your little drum be sure to send Guilford County a check each month for your portion of the 2 billion school bond that I’m pretty sure you voted for since your wife was working at GCS when the bond was passed
Nope. I am happy to pay the local taxes in the county I moved to even though I no longer have kids in public school. The county I live in now has the top performing school districts in the state.
Guess what the difference is……
Guilford County Local Operating Funds per Student = 3,635
Orange County Local Operating Funds per student = $5,877
To be fair, Guilford County has a higher % of students that come from low-income homes so they receive additional federal funds to help make up for some of the difference. But there are more complications for a district with high low-income family enrollment such as less parental support, etc….
You get what you pay for…..
professor/Cxxxxxxxx X Rxxx/Chris/Polly Pocket/Sybil/whatever,
Allow me to to clear up your typical leftist/socialist answer to everything
“– Guilford County Schools’ facilities were rated as being in poor or unsatisfactory condition. = We need more Captial (spelled Capital)
– NC ranked 47th in the nation in school funding per student = We need more funding
– NC teacher pay ranked 46th in the nation. = We need more funding
– NC ranks 41st in Statewide Adequacy. = We need more funding”
Can anybody spot a common theme here? A typically common theme espoused by common leftist/socialists? Hint, it involves money and nothing else.
Why is it I’ve been in several countries that have a lower student/spending ratio then us yet they don’t have the problem we do. I will concede I personally believe we should pay teachers more…TEACHERS, not the multiple assistants of the assistants to the assistants. That and these classes outside the necessary reading, writing, math, history, and geography. Optional vocational classes are acceptable and in fact are very helpful…anybody remember Drivers Ed, Shop, Home Eco?
Another issue that most don’t want to face or talk about is the lack of parental involvement. News Flash folks…it’s a SCHOOL, not a DAY CARE.
My personal suggestion for correcting the situation is two simple steps…1. establish clear standards, 2. enforce them.
Patrick, I have been very clear in my belief that there are other issues impacting our kids’ education other than funding but given this particular string of comments and the news article it is attached to is about funding, it was the focus of my comment.
Hope that helps.
In regard to other countries, I have commented a number of times on the difference in both governmental and social cultures that boost performance of schools in countries as China for example. Happy to discuss those items as well….but note, China actually spends more per student it’s just that they have a culture that pressures parents to contribute to that cost directly were in the US most families have little extra income to prioritize for education support such as tutors, learning aids, etc… that is much more common in China.
I suspect we agree on a great deal more than you might believe. Parental involvement being near the top of the list….the stories my wife can tell about some parents after her decade or more working in the front office of our local public school is chilling to hear.
Best wishes.
professor/Cxxxxxxxx X Rxxx/Chris/Polly Pocket/Sybil/whatever,
“…it’s just that they have a culture that pressures parents to contribute to that cost directly were in the US most families have little extra income to prioritize for education support such as tutors, learning aids, etc…
So they make people pay the government for services…hmmmm…where have I heard of another government doing something like that…making people give them hard earned money to use as THEY see fit…oh, that’s right…THIS country. WE have money confiscated under threat of incarceration by OUR government.
NEXT…
Oh, by the way, you might want to take time to proofread before you post since you seem to have no problem criticizing others for it. And I can go back and find plenty of examples.
I do indeed struggle with proofing errors. I am normally multi-tasking while commenting so that doesn’t help. As I get older, multi-tasking has become much more difficult.
I think the other point of China/South Korea that the US can learn from is the absolute nature of their belief in the consequences of failure. The old ‘no child left behind’ has been one of the worst programs for our education systems with kids’ graduation who can barely read. Kids that struggle in school are just passed forward versus being reassign to programs that better align to their needs and capabilities. If you fail, you should be held back or moved to a different kind of program such as work-study programs, etc…
Another lesson I wish I had considered….invest in base education as a parent. I was too focused on investing in my kids college education so they could start life without college debt. So, I saved up to pay for all three kids college undergraduate degrees…. If I had used that money for their base education, they would likely have earned scholarships, grants, etc… and performed even better in higher standard universities. (Austins stories of kids make this point very well) Neither my wife or I am good teachers (just look at my proof reading skills) so home schooling was not an option, but we should have invested in high end private schools who focus more on the individual student and teach foundation learning / study habits far better than public schools full of distractions from poor performing students and overcrowded classrooms.
Again, I think we agree far more than you might believe. The key difference being that I support education for all. I just think we need a better system for education to the needs of the student versus the one size fits all which I think we agree on.
Best wishes
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Oh… My… God. “The Professor’s” excuse for his butchered English is that he’s simultaneously multi-tasking. We’re supposed to conclude that he’s such a genius that he’s playing chess with a computer, solving the NY Times Crossword, and writing a novel while he’s addressing us (through his Fourth Point of Contact, Alan).
Wow.
Not…!
Chris you talked all around what I posted. Send GC a check to pay your part of the 2 billion bond that YOU voted for when you lived in GC.
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Nobody believes your lies any more, “Professor”.
I was watching the PBS TV programme State Lines on Sunday, and all the participants agreed that it was great that NC would have the highest teacher starting pay in the South, after the latest pay raises were implemented.
You just cherry pick your “studies” and “data” to try to buttress your lies.
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And nobody’s denying that NC Government Schools are pitifully inadequate – despite the billions they receive.
Austin, there are no lies in my comment. Just facts. If you have any studies that show NC schools are currently overfunded or that money isn’t one of the issues facing NC schools, share your studies. Can’t accuse someone of cherry picking if you can’t show that there are alternative studies or data sets that counter my point. Saying ‘Na Uh’ doesn’t count.
I get it….NC Legislature is finally increasing Teacher comp. Will be interesting if fixing this one of the many issues has a positive impact. That in no way invalidates my comments related to CURRENT funding being a major issue for NC school.
It’s funny you share the one new story that validates by comment given that NC Legislature agrees with me and has proposed increasing teacher comp. But thanks, I was already keenly aware of the proposal.
Hope that helps.
Best wishes.
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There are lots of facts that demonstrate US education is overfunded and underperforming.
You just can’t accept them.
Then share them….but note that educating funding levels vary greatly over the US as does performance. I prefer to discuss NC schools versus some average that doesn’t apply to anyone in particular.
Since enrollment is declining, perhaps they should look harder at reducing fixed costs by closing some schools? Yes, this might require some redistricting, but asking for more every year is not an acceptable solution for – especially in view of the County’s positioning for property tax increases via dramatically increased Real Estate Assessed Values. What are we paying these people for?
This sounds like a time for a new financial manager for a he schools that is hard nosed and capable of right sizing the buildings to the students, we May also need to operate with less supervision of teachers and mak the principle do their jobs. Would outsourcing school busing be a cheaper alternative to continuing to give raises for unskilled positions. Maybe students could drive buses again.
This reminds me of a picture I saw on YouTube. It said,
Just a reminder if you keep voting for the left you will end up having nothing left!!!
Let’s vote these democrats out of office this coming election.
I’ve been living here for over 35 years and have rarely ever heard of the school board saying they are going to reduce cost. They always want more money!!! This is very old.
Maybe it’s time to reengineer our school system and look at ways to save money and pay some people off. If these people can find higher paying jobs in the private sector let them leave. I don’t believe it.
My daughter goes to school in Guilford county its not just Guilford county its all schools there not paying these teachers enough to teach or the bus drivers pay the school staff more they deserve it
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Thanks, Lindsay.
That’s a great advertisement for abolishing the Government Schools.
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LOL ! Her English as butchered as “marklsparkle”….. Where’s he gone lately, anyway? Hope he’s ok. He’s nuts, but interesting and funny
back again like a bad dream
The recent budget proposal by Republicans in the NC Legislature is finally addressing this with a proposed 8% raise for all teachers on average and a 17% increase for new teachers. This makes starting pay $48,000 which is still low for a college grade but a big improvement.
Nice to see NC State Legislature finally step up and address the poor funding of schools.
professor/Cxxxxxxxx X Rxxx/Chris/Polly Pocket/Sybil/whatever,
“Wait for me, I am your leader!” yells professor/Cxxxxxxxx X Rxxx/Chris/Polly Pocket/Sybil/whatever as he is getting lambasted.
Somebody who, I might point out, is not getting raped by Skip the Omnipotent and his sycophants on the Board of Commissars. He’s not paying the confiscatory taxes we are since he DOESN’T LIVE IN THE FIEFDOM GUILFORD COUNTY.
LOL, go ask some other college grads what they make…for all 12 months of work. I’ll save you the trouble…it’s $54,613. Since teachers don’t work all 12 months, a monthly income is about $4,551. I’d say that is less than what teachers make each month.
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/–in-North-Carolina
The ‘Teachers only work 10 months a year’ is common distraction used for those not concerned about a teacher’s ability to make fair living base on their education and actual workloads.
First is the myth that teachers only work 40 hour weeks. Most work 53 to 54 hours on average per week that brings their annual hours up to 2,120 versus the 40 hour 52 week target of 2,000 hours.
The second myth is ‘Summer Free for All’ for teachers. Most teachers use the summer to maintain their Mandatory Recertification continuing education classes. They also refine and work up curriculum prep etc… Or attend college courses to complete a Master’s degree.
But the best measure of how appropriate teacher comp though comes from the economic principle of supply and demand. If teacher comp is so cushy and generous for ‘only working 10 months’, there would be a surplus of people fighting for these jobs. Instead, districts across the state are facing historic teacher shortages.
– Over 9000 full-time permanent teachers left NC public schools last year. 11% attrition rate
– Vacancy Rate is over 7% with ~7000 positions unfilled by the 40th day of the school year
– States have had to rely on long-term substitutes who lack the same credentials as full time teachers
– Between 14% and 18% of teachers with five years of experience or less leave the profession annually…..
– Graduation rates for new teachers has declined…they have even named the problem “Dwindling Pipeline”
There is a reason NC legislature has had to increase teacher comp by 17%.
Hope that helps.
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it’s true that teachers don’t work 10 months of the year.
They only work 9 months of the year.
Count up all the holidays yourself.
Now you don’t like that teachers have paid holidays and vacations like all other jobs?
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Now you don’t like facts that disprove your lies?
Teachers work 10 months a year. fact
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Lie.
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They get 2 months off in Summer alone, plus another 3 weeks over Christmas, plus God knows how many Federal holidays and Spring Break, and Fall Break, and “Teacher Workdays” (which is a cute term for days they don’t work).
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Hey I just Googled it, and the MAXIMUM number of workdays in NC is 195 – Google it yourself.
195 days = 39 weeks, WHICH EQUALS NINE MONTHS.
And that’s the most they would ever work, the precious dears. They’re also allowed 20 days of “personal/sick days”, so that’s another 4 working weeks.
Let’s tell the truth. It’s effectively a part-time job with full time benefits. And it ain’t exactly demanding or dangerous either.
It’s talking to kids.
What a great deal they get – and all they do is bitch & whine, and “demand” more money.
Idle ingrates.
What you described accurately describes someone who works 10 months a year with paid time off as most jobs offer. FYI, teachers work when students are out on holiday so don’t base your idea of their schedules on student schedules. They aren’t the same.
OH MY GOD…. you simply refuse to accept the truth when it proves that your lies are just that – lies.
You are despised in these columns because you are a dishonest debater.
NC MAX teacher working days = 195. That’s 39 weeks, or exactly 9 months, AND they get more days off too!
You just lie. All. The. Time.
LIAR.
We aren’t disagreeing on facts, just interpretation. Calling that a lie because we don’t agree on what it means to work 10 months (yes with paid time off like everyone else who works receives) shows your inability to discuss topics without hate, anger and ignorance. But rant away as you like. That reflects more on you than on me.
I work 12 months a year. I receive 3 weeks paid vacation plus 10 paid holidays and 2 additional optional holiday days plus up to 10 days sick leave. FYI, I work 12 months a year. My prior job only gave me 22 days PTO plus 11 paid holidays…..even though different time off model and schedule, I still worked 12 months a year. I don’t use different math for teachers during their 10 months of work because they are different.
But you be you. Best wishes.
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You are such a BS’r. You have been explicitly proven wrong, right here in this Comment Column, and yet you are incapable of apologizing and admitting it.
Anyone reading this can Google the issue and easily learn that NC teachers are contracted for NO MORE THAN 195 DAYS A YEAR of work. In addition, they get another 4 weeks off, whenever they like (“Personal Days”). So it’s really 8 months of the year that they work, if they claim their “Personal/Sick Days”.
You need to admit that you lied. You need to admit hat you doubled down, and presented your lie as a “fact”.
You need to apologize to the readers for trying to mislead them.
But you won’t. You’re not big enough.
You’re just a sorry little ass*ole.
Nope. Show me one other profession that doesnt claim to work 12 months just because they reveive a little more than 2 weeks paid holdiay and 2 to 4 weeks PTO.
Lol.
Maybe the raises should be tied to reading and math comprehension at grade levels. Students can’t read or do grade level work no raise Teachers don’t like that standard they should look for a different job.
If the administrators were to properly integrate AI into the schools, it could greatly lesson the burden of teaching for teachers and learning for students. AI has become sufficiently developed to become a cost reduction tool for schools and businesses. Major cost reduction.
Would be good to see the 126 GCS school breakdown of students the school was built for and actual students attending that school along with each school cost breakdown for maintenance and teachers plus projections.
From this list, consolidate the schools to save tax payers money. There should be an AI system out there where you input the data and out comes several options to choose from.
Very apparent that GCS is not doing a good job in general of educating children as seen in the dismal 29-32% proficiency levels in grades 3-8. Parents continue to pull their children to other options away from GCS. This will continue along with the trend to have less children. What are tax payers getting for the county budget increases from about $630 million in 2020 to over $1.1 billion proposed this year? Not much concerning school test score improvements and many other local govt improvements. Democrat leadership just spends and spends and spends…..
It does not matter how much money the Guilford county schools get it will never be enough. This is the same scenario as the county commissioners constantly wanting more money. While the local governments and the federal governments are continuously asking for more money we are asked to cut back our spending. We don’t have a choice but to cut back our spending because of all the money that they are asking for and taking from us.
Like always the powers to be think all you have to do is throw money at it and it will go away.
No one believes that. But, yes funding is one of many issues facing public schools in the US and NC specifically.
Professor says the country that spends more money per student than any other country is UNDERFUNDING
its education !
Nutcase.
We don’t spend the most per student. Ignorance, isn’t a disease. It’s a choice.
The biggest error in your point is that the main difference is that in most developed nations, education is funded nationally, meaning every school receives a nearly identical baseline of dollars per child. While the US is near the top (it isn’t THE top), NC is more closely aligned to the mid-point in funding per student when compared to other countries. But….how we spend that money makes it even worse.
In the US, we spend a massive portion of our education budget on school infrastructure, safety, specialized non-teaching staff, administration and support services (expansive busing networks, counseling, large athletic complexes, and cafeteria programs) that many European or Asian school systems do not fund or manage through the school system. So…….in America k-12 teachers earn less than 60% of the average salary of a similarly educated college graduate where in education systems like South Korea or Germany, Teacher pay is significantly closer to their professional peers if not even greater.
Hope that helps.
GOOGLE What country spends most on education.
AI Answer : the US at $13.1 Trillion.
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You sure are a stuck up know it all.
Again, this is NC. Google what NC spends on schools versus the average US spend versus the average international spends.
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But you said “Funding is one of the many issues FACING SCHOOLS IN THE US…” – didn’t you?
Yes, and that remains true for many school districts in the US, not just NC.
I gave you the name “Professor”. I should have called you “Professor Pretzel”.
You want to claim “A” and “Not A” as it suits you.
You have to contort yourself like a pretzel to avoid admitting you’re wrong.
put a hyphen in ‘stuck up’, eg. stuck-up
today’s WSJ letter to the editor: facing declining enrollment, public schools can only survive with a captive student.
He said exactly that Al, maybe he was multi tasking when he responded
I am going to buy some more lottery tickets. That should help
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE ( A reference to Chill Wills in the John Wayne Movie McLintock for those of you too young to remember this movie)
Let’s review some FACTS.
1. The Guilford County Board and School Board ILLEGALLY worked together to get the $1.7 BILLION school bond passed. THAT is what a democrat Wake County judge said when Republican Alan Branson sued to get the results of the referendum overturned. The judge said although it what they did was ILLEGAL, it passed so he was okay.
2. Months later, ole skippy and the school board FINALLY ADMITTED that taxpayers-that’s YOU and me-will have to pay $3.4 BILLION to pay off the bonds.
3. ANY BOND must be issued (spent) within 10 years of its approval and MUST BE REPAID within 20 years after the money is spent.
So $3.4 BILLION dollars divided by 30 years equals an AVERAGE YEARLY DEBT REPAYMENT of $113.3 MILLION. Remember that the bond holder (bank) GETS PAID FIRST BEFORE Gilford can spend any money on Police, Fire, EMT, schools, sewer or water management, road repairs, our precious FAILING SCHOOLS, OR ANY OTHER FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT.
4. Ole skippy and the democrat controlled county board are considering spending $2 MILLION for a TREE HOUSE!
5. Ole skipipy and the democrat controlled county board are considering BORROWING $572 MILLION-that’s more than a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS-on a NEW County government building complex. This involves tearing down the old Truist Bank building, building the new county building in its place, complete with a Skywalk from te new building with the Old Court house.
6. Ole skippy and the democrat controlled county board are considering BORROWING ANOTHER $550 MILLION-ANOTHER HALF A BILLION DOLLARS-for the schools.
7. When you add the existing $3.4 BILLION school bonds, the $572 MILLION dollar new county building complex and the NEW $550 MILLION school bond, taxpayers of Guilford County will be more than $6 BILLION in debt, just for these three projects bonds. THAT means Guilford taxpayers will pay an AVERAGE YEARLY DEBT REPAYMENT OF OVER $200 MILLION DOLLARS,,,JUST FOR THESE THREE PROJECTS.
8. Ole skippy and the democrat controlled county board ALSO WANT TO PERMANENTLY RAISE THE SALES TAX. Sales tax is a REGRESSIVE TAX meaning the unemployed, disabled, lower and middle income people will HARM THEM MORE THAN THE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND OTHER HIGHER INCOME PEOPLE.
9. The school in Kernersville the school board said was a MUST HAVE, has now been quietly MOVED DOWN THE LIST OF PRIORITIES. One of the reasons for this-hole on to your hats-is DECLINING ENROLLMENT. WHAT A SHOCKER! PLUS, originally cost estimates said the school would cost $39 MILLION, while current estimates are close to $89 MILLION and not a single shovel of dirt has been moved.
BOTTOM LINE: The democrat controlled county board says they MUST HAVE MORE MONEY to prepare for the future. THE TRUTH is that these democrats ONLY KNOW HOW TO TAX AND SPEND. THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO THOUGHTFULLY AND RESPONSIBLY DEVELOP A BUDGET BASED ON MUST HAVES vs. WANTS. A new county office complex is a WANT. It is NOT a MUST HAVE. RAISING THE SALES TAX is a WANT. IT IS NOT A MUST HAVE. Another $550 MILLION bond for the schools is a WANT. IT IS NOT A MUST HAVE.
Everyone of us can list a ton of WANTS like a new car, bigger house, more frequent shopping trips, whatever. But we also know we MUST PROVIDE THE MUST HAVES BEFORE WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AT THE WANTS.
Democrats look at a half glass of water as being half empty with what they believe are failures. We failed to do this or that…whatever. Their remedy is to RAISE TAXES, SPEND MORE MONEY. IF THAT DOESN’T WORK, DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
Republicans on the other hand look at that same glass of water as being half FULL. Republicans celebrate our accomplishments and successes while acknowledging we need to add more water to the glass. Republicans want to thoughtfully and carefully find ways to continue to fill the glass WITHOUT TAXING PEOPLE TO DEATH, WITHOUT TAKING THE LAST BIT OF LINT YOU HAVE IN YOUR POCKET.
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE. IT IS WAY PAST TIME TO ELECT REPUBLICANS TO EVERY OFFICE FROM DOG CATCHER TO EVERY CITY, COUNTY, STATE AND FEDERAL OFFICE. REPUBLICANS KNOW HOW TO GET 7 CENTS OF VALUE OUT OF EVERY NICKLE. DEMOCRATS ONLY KNOW HOW TO SPEND EVERY DIME THEY GET THEIR HANDS ON AND THEN RAISE TAXES AGAIN AND AGAIN. DO YOU WANT TO CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY AND THE DESTINY OF YOUR KIDS OR DO YOU WANT TO PUT THEM IN DEBT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND HALF OF THEIRS? IT’S TIME TO DECIDE!
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Very true.
The political Left represents the interests and desires of government and The Parasitic Sector.
The political Right represents the interests and desires of the people and The Productive Sector.
The political Right represents abandonment of working-class people struggling to pay bills, the environment, and our climate to provide social welfare to the regime of wealthy corrupt big business that find it cheaper to bribe politicians than to pay workers, care for the environment or stop destroying our climate.
The true parasite is wealthy people amassing greater and greater wealth at the expense of government debt, the backs of the working-class, and our environment and climate.
But you be you.
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What a load of bollocks.
All truth.
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Straight from the Ministry of Truth.
And the minds of its minions.
Professor, you must have missed the recent admission by the UN about the environmental facts they said was ‘settled science’, is actually nothing more than hogwash. So after the US and most countries spent Trillions of dollars on ‘fake science’, the UN finally says…oops, we bad.
Also, the poorest person in the US has more money and resources available (Food stamps, Medicaid, child care, and a whole host of other programs) than many people in many countries. So, much for the US abandoning the working-class.
Barry Obama told successful people, ‘you didn’t do that by yourself’. I wonder if others helped him become a wealthy ex-president with a home in Martha’s Vineyard and Hawaii? Did he gain all this wealth on the backs of the working-class, and our environment and climate? Bet he did.
BTW, emissions in the US are now LOWER THAN THEY WERE IN THE 1990’S. So much for your the US destroying our climate.
I wonder how ole Nancy Pelosi enterd congress worth a couple of hundred thousand dollars but will leave congress with about $400 MILLION! I bet SOMEBODY helped her. Maybe it was ole Pauly P who was able to perfectly time the market with stock sales and purchases? Or ole Hillary who made over $100,000 on cattle futures even though she had absolutely NO trading experience or training. I wonder which politician or financial ‘advisor’ helped her? She and Bill seem to be doing quite well. It seems to me that SOMEBODY helped them along the way…probably on the backs of the poor and working-class.
I am guessing these FACTS have escaped your attention. If you don’t believe me, look them up. Hopefully you can search the internet that Al Gore invented and will find this information to be true.
You should really check your facts before sharing your opinions. Better to keep quiet and let people think you don’t know what you are talking about instead of opening your mouth and PROVING you don’t know anything.
But hey, you be you.
Not sure where you get your misinformation (would be nice to see a source) for your quote of the UN on settled science. Last source I found stated that the UN’s official position across its various agencies, most notably the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), strongly relies on and defends the scientific consensus regarding global issues like climate change.
I suspect you are referring to Guterres uses of the word ‘Hogwash” to describe the exact opposite sentiment that right wing media claims he made. During his address on climate change, Guterres was countering critics who claim that transitioning away from fossil fuels to protect the environment would ruin the economy. His exact words were:
“I have heard the argument – usually from vested interests – that takingly climate change is expensive and could harm economic growth. This is hogwash. In fact, the opposite is true.”
To your other misleading claims:
Yes, emissions are lower, prior to Trump, the US was leading the way to transitioning power systems to Green energy which shows that the movement to Green energy doesn’t slow the economy. 2007 was the Peak emissions of 7/53 billion metric tons. total gross U emissions sit roughly 5% lower than they were in the 90s and 17% lower than the peak.
This is largely due to the collapse in use of coal (even though Trump promised to bring it back, of course we are tankful he failed as usual) with the rise in Natural Gas power plants, expansion of renewable Energy, and Vehicle efficiency…..
I am glad you see this as a positive but a 5% decline from the baseline in the 90s isn’t enough to even slow the negative impacts of climate change.
This trope about US poor being richer than other ‘poor’ people globally is an odd argument. Are you suggesting we push for the allowing massive slums like in Brazil? or Extreme poverty as allowed to exist in India? Global poverty is a very very low bar to beat, but you be you.
Best wishes.
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Thanks “Professor” for showing your hand. That is a perfect class based Marxist analysis.
Are you Trotskyist, Leninist, or Stalinist?
You would have to bend around enough to kiss your own rear to make that argument but since you give no details, as usual not much to say other than, nope.
I was stating the problem created by modern conservative policies….wealth gap growth between the working class and an elite few (plus destruction of our environment and climate). You are discussing alternative economic models to solve that problem that I don’t agree with…..I am a social democrat of late. Not a socialist or a communist as conservatives love to falsely label people who support the idea of working class benefiting more from the economy. Just ignorance using ‘scary’ words because they can’t actually defend the policies they claim to support.
If you would like to debate the value of social democracy principles versus the false promise of modern conservative policies, let me know.
But you be you
pile students & teacher into that fleet of buses then demo buildings. permanent park bus in the required bus parking spot – fire driver, mechanic – eliminate vehicle insurance & fuel cost & accident risk by NOT rolling around anymore. give the $$ saved to the teacher. perhaps teacher could drive bus to where students coagulate ?