You might think that the fact that Guilford County Schools is teaching fewer students each year would mean that the cost of those education operations would be going down. However, each year, no matter the number of students, school officials claim they need more money and in the new county managers proposed budget the schools would get millions more in fiscal 2026-2027.
One of the most interesting tensions in Guilford County government right now is this fact that, even as student enrollment declines, the amount of money flowing toward Guilford County Schools continues to increase dramatically every year.
In 2010, Guilford County Schools enrollment was about 73,205 students. Current enrollment is now roughly between 67,000 and 68,000 students depending on the measurement source: Guilford County Schools currently describes district enrollment as about 68,000 students, while the most recently completed school year showed enrollment at approximately 67,620 students for 2024-25,
That raises an obvious question for many taxpayers: If there are fewer students, why does the school system keep needing more money?
Guilford County Manager Victor Isler’s proposed fiscal 2026-2027 budget puts that tension front and center. His budget calls for an additional $25 million in school operating support along with another $33.5 million in debt service support connected to school construction bonds and capital improvements.
Combined, school-related increases account for 64 percent of the amount above the county’s revenue-neutral tax rate.
At the same time, the budget acknowledges that Guilford County’s school-age population is currently declining: It states that lower birth rates and broader demographic trends have reduced the number of school-age children in Guilford County.
And many assume that fewer students should naturally mean lower school spending. However, school advocates argue that public education doesn’t work that way.
For one thing, many school costs don’t disappear just because enrollment declines.
Schools still need:
- Buildings
- HVAC systems
- Roofs
- Teachers
- Bus drivers
- Cafeteria workers
- Security systems
- Technology
- Transportation
- Maintenance
- Administrative staff
And, in Guilford County’s case, many of those costs are increasing rapidly. There’s the new hit on gas prices for school buses for instance and the cost increases created by tariffs on imported building materials.
Guilford County finance officials are currently preparing for planned bond issuances of approximately $565 million in fiscal year 2027-2028 and another $565 million in fiscal year 2030-2031 to fund long-term capital improvement plans involving school renovations, repairs, technology and facility modernization.
One factor school advocates point to is that many Guilford County school buildings are old. Some date back decades and require extensive upgrades to heating and cooling systems, plumbing, electrical systems and security infrastructure.
Those kinds of costs don’t usually shrink when enrollment drops.
Another factor is personnel costs. Even though student enrollment is declining, many county leaders and school supporters argue that many school employees remain underpaid compared to surrounding districts or compared to what they could make in private-sector jobs.
The county manager’s proposed budget includes a phased classified employee pay plan intended to improve salaries for bus drivers, cafeteria workers, custodians and other support staff.
The budget also points out that Guilford County currently ranks fifth statewide in principal supplements and third in assistant principal supplements – but only 23rd in teacher supplements.
County and school officials say that weak teacher supplements make it harder to compete for teachers.
And there’s another major issue at play: charter schools.
North Carolina law requires that traditional public school districts transfer a portion of local funding to charter schools based on enrollment numbers. That means that Guilford County Schools can lose students without necessarily seeing large reductions in many of its fixed operating costs.
For instance, if 20 students leave a high school, the school system will lose funding tied to those students – but still can’t eliminate:
- Part of a roof
- Half a bus route
- One wing of a school
- A cafeteria
- A principal
- Heating and cooling costs
Public school systems remain financially responsible for maintaining large physical infrastructure systems even when enrollment drops.
The county budget now on the table also points to another reality: county leaders believe the current enrollment decline might not last forever.
The proposed budget repeatedly references expected long-term population growth connected to economic development projects involving aviation, advanced manufacturing, health sciences and bioprocess manufacturing. According to estimates in the budget, Guilford County’s population is projected to grow by about 86,000 people over the next 20 years.
The county’s vast economic development growth will eventually bring lots of additional families and students into the community. So county leaders seem to be trying to prepare for both current realities and future growth at the same time. Chairman of the Guilford County Board of Commissioners Skip Alston constantly points to this as a reason the county has to spend a lot of money not get ready for education needs and other services increases before it’s too late to adequately do so.
However, there are clearly plenty of strapped taxpayers who remain highly skeptical about the pace of school spending growth.
Education already represents one of the largest components of county spending. When school debt service, operating support and other educational spending are combined, education consumes an enormous portion of Guilford County’s overall budget structure – over forty percent most years.
And, unlike one-time spending, much of the new school funding now being discussed by the county commissioners becomes recurring spending:
- Salary increases
- Technology replacement programs
- Safety and security funding
- Debt payments
- Capital maintenance
Those keep coming back year after year.
County officials repeatedly use school needs to point to the possibility of “future revenue diversification” through the proposed quarter-cent sales tax referendum. The budget frames that referendum as a way to reduce future reliance on property taxes while helping support long-term education obligations.
County commissioners appear to have come to the realization that maintaining the current trajectory of education spending entirely through property taxes could eventually become politically difficult and eventually cost them their commissioner jobs.
There’s also a broader philosophical debate happening underneath all of this. Some residents believe that strong public schools are one of the most important long-term investments a community can make – particularly if Guilford County hopes to continue to compete economically with faster-growing metro areas.
Others are kind of alarmed that, unlike a decade ago, there are long lines almost everywhere and Battleground is packed with cars even at, say, 2 p.m. on a Tuesday. Some residents argue that school spending is growing faster than taxpayers can realistically sustain – especially right now, during a very difficult economy and a period of declining enrollment.
As school debt repayment ratchets up in the coming years, the debate and the tension will magnify and increasingly focus on how much growth the county’s taxpayers are willing to pay and how long the current pace of education costs increases can continue.

Hmm, Skippy says he needs to raise taxes because lots more people are coming to Greensboro. The real question in my mind if that is true, why are there declining school enrollments. Is it perhaps there was a significant amount of illegal alien students that self deported or more likely, people have figured out the our public schools are broken and have found better education opportunities elsewhere?
Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Do you have anything other than your gut to support the theory? Data actually frames the source of the issue very differently. The folks looking into and forecast attendance note three primary changes driving the decline:
– While Guilford County’s overall population has grown, census data shows that the boom largely consists of adults without children or an aging population.
– Birth rates declining: The number of live births and incoming kindergarteners in the county has been dropping over the last 7 to 8 years, reducing the overall pool of potential students.
– Growing popularity of charter schools, private schools and homeschooling.
No mention of immigrants and given the duration and consistency of the decline I don’t think your theory holds water.
Source: https://simbli.eboardsolutions.com/Meetings/Attachment.aspx?S=11102&AID=425263&MID=16487
It is sad that so many conservatives knee jerk is to blame immigrants for all our problems when in actuality, they were more a part of the solution. With declining birth rates, having a strong immigration policy can keep the US from falling into the economic pains of declining birth rates and the costs of an aging population.
professor, do you know that there are two (2) Newcommer schools in Guilford County devoted to educating illegal immigrants, one in Greensboro and one in High Point, paid for with property tax money? The one in Greensboro is Doris Henderson Newcomers School and the one in High Point is Sylvia Mendez Newcomers School. Allegedly, the students attend for one year before enrolling in regular public schools. Do you believe that a year in a Newcommer school prepares the illegal immigrant for transitioning to public school population? Do you believe that Guilford County property tax money should go to educating illegal immigrants? The Chamber of Commerce is most likely behind the Newcommer schools. Property taxpayers, remember this when you receive your property tax bill in July.
I am aware we have schools that help with immigrants and refugees. Note we still have a large population of legal immigrants and refugees in this country. Makes sense to move students with a need for learning English as a second language to specialized schools. I am a big fan.
I believe all children should be offered an education.
I have no idea if one year is enough. Kids do learn languages faster than adults. But a fair question for sure.
Did you really think all the kids at the school were undocumented? Weird.
Less students mean less need for a BLOATED administrative staff, which has copious amounts of assistant superintendents, all earning north of $150,000 per year. Why? Combine assignments just like a for profit corporation would, and lay off the dead wood.
It does not matter how much money the Guilford county schools get it will never be enough. This is the same scenario as the county commissioners constantly wanting more money. While the local governments and the federal governments are continuously asking for more money we are asked to cut back our spending. We don’t have a choice but to cut back our spending because of all the money that they are asking for and taking from us.
Tax payers of Guilford County,
Do I faintly hear the soundtrack from “The Music Man” beginning to play, and getting louder?
Hope citizens will vote wisely. What reps we currently have are a cancer.
GREAT article Scott, fair and balanced, filled with facts.
At 77 I don’t have much of a dog in this fight ,except for my sky rocketing taxes. My children all abandoned Guilford County and their children have done well in less expensive counties. I started talking about this problem more than a year ago and finally, like a prairie dog, the Commissioner’s have pulled their head out of the sand to now cry wolf.
Less attendance requires less administrative staff, including principals and administrators. Giving that money to teachers makes more sense. Lastly, throughout my career my success drove my salary. “Poor direction equals poor performance “. Our students graduate with a skill set of a fourth grader. Why pay ALL teachers the same? and DON’T blame the system completely for that fact, amongst those reading at a fourth grade level are extremely bright well educated children. Stupidity starts at home and continues into the Country Commision.
Thanks, I’m glad you got something from it.
Yeah. Public schools are GOVT schools. Teaching what to think, not how to think. Guilford Co. is increasing in population, but Govt schools are declining in attendance. Does that tell you something? Duh.
No matter how much govt extorts from the taxpayer, they always want more.
If you are looking to find something our govt does well, don’t bother looking here. Ultimately, it is the VOTER who is responsible for all this; and they don’t have a clue. Most don’t bother to show up at the polls for local elections, that’s why the council has their elections in off-years.
Sounds like they need to consider how to consolidate the number of schools so they can reduce infrastructure costs and the need for bond funds.
Professor you are sooo very slow. In 1993 Guilford County had a school system,Greensboro City had a school system and High Point City had a school system. Then enter the brilliant talking heads with a grand idea. Combine all 3 together, cut administration costs, overhead and overlapping office space and save so much money. Golly gee let’s flash forward and look at the bloated mess we currently have. Try again professor. Our schools don’t need any more money until they can start producing students who can read for comprehension at grade level. This is the very minimum to get started with.
No idea how your response is related to my comment given I noted how reducing number of school buildings would reduce costs. Weird.
But with regard to your comment on need for funding, thankfully the NC legislature disagrees with you and is finally doing something about poor teacher compensation levels (currently ranked 46th in the nation). A 17% increase in new teacher pay is a great start to fixing one of the many problems with NC schools. While funding isn’t the only problem, it is unquestionable that it is indeed a problem and good for NC legislature for taking a critical step to address.
Best wishes
My point was just because GCS closes some schools and consolidates them that they would actually reduce their budget. That was the reasoning to consolidate all three systems in 1993 and look at the bloated, top heavy administrative mess we have now. It doesn’t matter how much they are given, it will never be enough. They have taken a page from skips playbook.
I have lived in Greensboro for as long as I have lived in North Carolina which is now about 50 years. When I first moved here Charlotte seemed kind of a dump and Raleigh not much better. They have changed over the years much more than Greensboro seems to have changed. Maybe it was higher property taxes. But now ours are much higher and appear to be getting worse just when theirs are declining. I am trying hard to figure out what we Taxpayers are getting for the extra money. The County Manager’s speech failed to address that.
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Declining enrollment = “We demand more money!”
Increasing enrollment = “We demand more money!”
Stable enrollment = “We demand more money!”
– Get the picture?
I suggest the actual picture is more challenging:
– Guilford County Schools’ facilities were rated as being in poor or unsatisfactory condition. = We need more Captial
– NC ranked 47th in the nation in school funding per student = We need more funding
– NC teacher pay ranked 46th in the nation. = We need more funding
– NC ranks 41st in Statewide Adequacy. = We need more funding
We need more than money for sure as the current system isn’t working, but the lack funding of schools in NC has long been one of the challenges of schools. The strategy of conservatives has been to reduce public school funding and then other made-up problems ‘DEI’, Wokeism, etc…. so they can push tax dollars to private schools who are allowed to exclude low income, disabled, mentally challenged, and underperforming students in order to maintain profitability.
Professor Chris continues to beat his same old tired drum to his same sad song.
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True.
It would be worthwhile if he wasn’t so predictable, pedantic, and pedestrian.
He’s just a tiresome bore.
Thankfully NC Legislature agrees with me and is taking action at least on the teacher comp issue.
And yes, if you believe in something, you should beat the drum loud and often.
Best wishes
Professor while you’re beating your little drum be sure to send Guilford County a check each month for your portion of the 2 billion school bond that I’m pretty sure you voted for since your wife was working at GCS when the bond was passed
professor/Cxxxxxxxx X Rxxx/Chris/Polly Pocket/Sybil/whatever,
Allow me to to clear up your typical leftist/socialist answer to everything
“– Guilford County Schools’ facilities were rated as being in poor or unsatisfactory condition. = We need more Captial (spelled Capital)
– NC ranked 47th in the nation in school funding per student = We need more funding
– NC teacher pay ranked 46th in the nation. = We need more funding
– NC ranks 41st in Statewide Adequacy. = We need more funding”
Can anybody spot a common theme here? A typically common theme espoused by common leftist/socialists? Hint, it involves money and nothing else.
Why is it I’ve been in several countries that have a lower student/spending ratio then us yet they don’t have the problem we do. I will concede I personally believe we should pay teachers more…TEACHERS, not the multiple assistants of the assistants to the assistants. That and these classes outside the necessary reading, writing, math, history, and geography. Optional vocational classes are acceptable and in fact are very helpful…anybody remember Drivers Ed, Shop, Home Eco?
Another issue that most don’t want to face or talk about is the lack of parental involvement. News Flash folks…it’s a SCHOOL, not a DAY CARE.
My personal suggestion for correcting the situation is two simple steps…1. establish clear standards, 2. enforce them.
Patrick, I have been very clear in my belief that there are other issues impacting our kids’ education other than funding but given this particular string of comments and the news article it is attached to is about funding, it was the focus of my comment.
Hope that helps.
In regard to other countries, I have commented a number of times on the difference in both governmental and social cultures that boost performance of schools in countries as China for example. Happy to discuss those items as well….but note, China actually spends more per student it’s just that they have a culture that pressures parents to contribute to that cost directly were in the US most families have little extra income to prioritize for education support such as tutors, learning aids, etc… that is much more common in China.
I suspect we agree on a great deal more than you might believe. Parental involvement being near the top of the list….the stories my wife can tell about some parents after her decade or more working in the front office of our local public school is chilling to hear.
Best wishes.
professor/Cxxxxxxxx X Rxxx/Chris/Polly Pocket/Sybil/whatever,
“…it’s just that they have a culture that pressures parents to contribute to that cost directly were in the US most families have little extra income to prioritize for education support such as tutors, learning aids, etc…
So they make people pay the government for services…hmmmm…where have I heard of another government doing something like that…making people give them hard earned money to use as THEY see fit…oh, that’s right…THIS country. WE have money confiscated under threat of incarceration by OUR government.
NEXT…
Oh, by the way, you might want to take time to proofread before you post since you seem to have no problem criticizing others for it. And I can go back and find plenty of examples.
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Nobody believes your lies any more, “Professor”.
I was watching the PBS TV programme State Lines on Sunday, and all the participants agreed that it was great that NC would have the highest teacher starting pay in the South, after the latest pay raises were implemented.
You just cherry pick your “studies” and “data” to try to buttress your lies.
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And nobody’s denying that NC Government Schools are pitifully inadequate – despite the billions they receive.
Austin, there are no lies in my comment. Just facts. If you have any studies that show NC schools are currently overfunded or that money isn’t one of the issues facing NC schools, share your studies. Can’t accuse someone of cherry picking if you can’t show that there are alternative studies or data sets that counter my point. Saying ‘Na Uh’ doesn’t count.
I get it….NC Legislature is finally increasing Teacher comp. Will be interesting if fixing this one of the many issues has a positive impact. That in no way invalidates my comments related to CURRENT funding being a major issue for NC school.
It’s funny you share the one new story that validates by comment given that NC Legislature agrees with me and has proposed increasing teacher comp. But thanks, I was already keenly aware of the proposal.
Hope that helps.
Best wishes.
Since enrollment is declining, perhaps they should look harder at reducing fixed costs by closing some schools? Yes, this might require some redistricting, but asking for more every year is not an acceptable solution for – especially in view of the County’s positioning for property tax increases via dramatically increased Real Estate Assessed Values. What are we paying these people for?
This sounds like a time for a new financial manager for a he schools that is hard nosed and capable of right sizing the buildings to the students, we May also need to operate with less supervision of teachers and mak the principle do their jobs. Would outsourcing school busing be a cheaper alternative to continuing to give raises for unskilled positions. Maybe students could drive buses again.
This reminds me of a picture I saw on YouTube. It said,
Just a reminder if you keep voting for the left you will end up having nothing left!!!
Let’s vote these democrats out of office this coming election.
I’ve been living here for over 35 years and have rarely ever heard of the school board saying they are going to reduce cost. They always want more money!!! This is very old.
Maybe it’s time to reengineer our school system and look at ways to save money and pay some people off. If these people can find higher paying jobs in the private sector let them leave. I don’t believe it.
My daughter goes to school in Guilford county its not just Guilford county its all schools there not paying these teachers enough to teach or the bus drivers pay the school staff more they deserve it
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Thanks, Lindsay.
That’s a great advertisement for abolishing the Government Schools.
The recent budget proposal by Republicans in the NC Legislature is finally addressing this with a proposed 8% raise for all teachers on average and a 17% increase for new teachers. This makes starting pay $48,000 which is still low for a college grade but a big improvement.
Nice to see NC State Legislature finally step up and address the poor funding of schools.
professor/Cxxxxxxxx X Rxxx/Chris/Polly Pocket/Sybil/whatever,
“Wait for me, I am your leader!” yells professor/Cxxxxxxxx X Rxxx/Chris/Polly Pocket/Sybil/whatever as he is getting lambasted.
Somebody who, I might point out, is not getting raped by Skip the Omnipotent and his sycophants on the Board of Commissars. He’s not paying the confiscatory taxes we are since he DOESN’T LIVE IN THE FIEFDOM GUILFORD COUNTY.
LOL, go ask some other college grads what they make…for all 12 months of work. I’ll save you the trouble…it’s $54,613. Since teachers don’t work all 12 months, a monthly income is about $4,551. I’d say that is less than what teachers make each month.
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/–in-North-Carolina
If the administrators were to properly integrate AI into the schools, it could greatly lesson the burden of teaching for teachers and learning for students. AI has become sufficiently developed to become a cost reduction tool for schools and businesses. Major cost reduction.
Would be good to see the 126 GCS school breakdown of students the school was built for and actual students attending that school along with each school cost breakdown for maintenance and teachers plus projections.
From this list, consolidate the schools to save tax payers money. There should be an AI system out there where you input the data and out comes several options to choose from.
Very apparent that GCS is not doing a good job in general of educating children as seen in the dismal 29-32% proficiency levels in grades 3-8. Parents continue to pull their children to other options away from GCS. This will continue along with the trend to have less children. What are tax payers getting for the county budget increases from about $630 million in 2020 to over $1.1 billion proposed this year? Not much concerning school test score improvements and many other local govt improvements. Democrat leadership just spends and spends and spends…..
It does not matter how much money the Guilford county schools get it will never be enough. This is the same scenario as the county commissioners constantly wanting more money. While the local governments and the federal governments are continuously asking for more money we are asked to cut back our spending. We don’t have a choice but to cut back our spending because of all the money that they are asking for and taking from us.
Like always the powers to be think all you have to do is throw money at it and it will go away.
No one believes that. But, yes funding is one of many issues facing public schools in the US and NC specifically.
Professor says the country that spends more money per student than any other country is UNDERFUNDING
its education !
Nutcase.
today’s WSJ letter to the editor: facing declining enrollment, public schools can only survive with a captive student.
I am going to buy some more lottery tickets. That should help
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE ( A reference to Chill Wills in the John Wayne Movie McLintock for those of you too young to remember this movie)
Let’s review some FACTS.
1. The Guilford County Board and School Board ILLEGALLY worked together to get the $1.7 BILLION school bond passed. THAT is what a democrat Wake County judge said when Republican Alan Branson sued to get the results of the referendum overturned. The judge said although it what they did was ILLEGAL, it passed so he was okay.
2. Months later, ole skippy and the school board FINALLY ADMITTED that taxpayers-that’s YOU and me-will have to pay $3.4 BILLION to pay off the bonds.
3. ANY BOND must be issued (spent) within 10 years of its approval and MUST BE REPAID within 20 years after the money is spent.
So $3.4 BILLION dollars divided by 30 years equals an AVERAGE YEARLY DEBT REPAYMENT of $113.3 MILLION. Remember that the bond holder (bank) GETS PAID FIRST BEFORE Gilford can spend any money on Police, Fire, EMT, schools, sewer or water management, road repairs, our precious FAILING SCHOOLS, OR ANY OTHER FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT.
4. Ole skippy and the democrat controlled county board are considering spending $2 MILLION for a TREE HOUSE!
5. Ole skipipy and the democrat controlled county board are considering BORROWING $572 MILLION-that’s more than a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS-on a NEW County government building complex. This involves tearing down the old Truist Bank building, building the new county building in its place, complete with a Skywalk from te new building with the Old Court house.
6. Ole skippy and the democrat controlled county board are considering BORROWING ANOTHER $550 MILLION-ANOTHER HALF A BILLION DOLLARS-for the schools.
7. When you add the existing $3.4 BILLION school bonds, the $572 MILLION dollar new county building complex and the NEW $550 MILLION school bond, taxpayers of Guilford County will be more than $6 BILLION in debt, just for these three projects bonds. THAT means Guilford taxpayers will pay an AVERAGE YEARLY DEBT REPAYMENT OF OVER $200 MILLION DOLLARS,,,JUST FOR THESE THREE PROJECTS.
8. Ole skippy and the democrat controlled county board ALSO WANT TO PERMANENTLY RAISE THE SALES TAX. Sales tax is a REGRESSIVE TAX meaning the unemployed, disabled, lower and middle income people will HARM THEM MORE THAN THE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND OTHER HIGHER INCOME PEOPLE.
9. The school in Kernersville the school board said was a MUST HAVE, has now been quietly MOVED DOWN THE LIST OF PRIORITIES. One of the reasons for this-hole on to your hats-is DECLINING ENROLLMENT. WHAT A SHOCKER! PLUS, originally cost estimates said the school would cost $39 MILLION, while current estimates are close to $89 MILLION and not a single shovel of dirt has been moved.
BOTTOM LINE: The democrat controlled county board says they MUST HAVE MORE MONEY to prepare for the future. THE TRUTH is that these democrats ONLY KNOW HOW TO TAX AND SPEND. THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO THOUGHTFULLY AND RESPONSIBLY DEVELOP A BUDGET BASED ON MUST HAVES vs. WANTS. A new county office complex is a WANT. It is NOT a MUST HAVE. RAISING THE SALES TAX is a WANT. IT IS NOT A MUST HAVE. Another $550 MILLION bond for the schools is a WANT. IT IS NOT A MUST HAVE.
Everyone of us can list a ton of WANTS like a new car, bigger house, more frequent shopping trips, whatever. But we also know we MUST PROVIDE THE MUST HAVES BEFORE WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AT THE WANTS.
Democrats look at a half glass of water as being half empty with what they believe are failures. We failed to do this or that…whatever. Their remedy is to RAISE TAXES, SPEND MORE MONEY. IF THAT DOESN’T WORK, DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
Republicans on the other hand look at that same glass of water as being half FULL. Republicans celebrate our accomplishments and successes while acknowledging we need to add more water to the glass. Republicans want to thoughtfully and carefully find ways to continue to fill the glass WITHOUT TAXING PEOPLE TO DEATH, WITHOUT TAKING THE LAST BIT OF LINT YOU HAVE IN YOUR POCKET.
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE. IT IS WAY PAST TIME TO ELECT REPUBLICANS TO EVERY OFFICE FROM DOG CATCHER TO EVERY CITY, COUNTY, STATE AND FEDERAL OFFICE. REPUBLICANS KNOW HOW TO GET 7 CENTS OF VALUE OUT OF EVERY NICKLE. DEMOCRATS ONLY KNOW HOW TO SPEND EVERY DIME THEY GET THEIR HANDS ON AND THEN RAISE TAXES AGAIN AND AGAIN. DO YOU WANT TO CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY AND THE DESTINY OF YOUR KIDS OR DO YOU WANT TO PUT THEM IN DEBT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND HALF OF THEIRS? IT’S TIME TO DECIDE!