Guilford County officials have discovered a major mistake that has left fire departments across the county in a big bind: The departments, which are already struggling financially, do not have $2.3 million in funding that those departments were counting on from Guilford County.
The departments across the county already operate on very thin margins, so the newly discovered deficit could mean some departments are unable to fund planned expenses or buy needed new equipment the firefighters were counting on.
The shortfall affects larger departments more than small ones, and the funding will need to be made up somehow.
It could mean higher fire district taxes in the upcoming 2025-2026 Guilford County fiscal budget, or it could mean the county dipping further into its already dwindling savings account, or it could mean that some county fire departments have to do without some things they had planned on and budgeted for.
One county leader who’s very concerned about the upsetting news is Guilford County Commissioner Alan Perdue – whose first full-time job was working in emergency services and who later worked his way up to becoming a longtime director of Emergency Services for Guilford County. He later retired and was elected to the Board of Commissioners.
“The amount of revenue projected for several fire department budgets, based on information in the past, came up short,” Perdue said this week.
Perdue added one contributing factor may have been that the model for fire department expenses and revenues has changed a great deal in the last decade or two.
“The old funding model used to work,” Perdue said. “That was largely based on having volunteers, but now it’s just not sufficient.”
He added that, not just in Guilford County, but across the nation, fire departments don’t see anywhere near the number of volunteer firefighters they once did; now the departments must rely almost solely on paid employees, which has dramatically increased the cost of running a fire department.
The former Emergency Services director said that, given the current thin operating margins of fire departments in Guilford County, and the rising cost of vehicles and other equipment, this amount of lost funding will have a “significant” impact on departments – “on some more than others.”
While no county official wanted to blame anyone or any department for the mistake, the size of the shortfall suggests that it was at least in part human error rather than simply economic circumstances taking a very drastic turn in a direction other than what was expected. When county officials make revenue projections for budgeting purposes, they always try to overshoot the mark, rather than undershoot it, because it’s a whole lot better to have some money left over after payments at the end of the fiscal year than it is to come up short and have no money to cover expenses.
Everyone, including government workers, can make an error in a mathematical calculation from time to time.
As for the near total loss of the volunteer firefighters that county fire departments relied on years ago, there are a lot of contributing factors to that trend. One is that people seem to have less time to devote to volunteer activities.
“It’s all over,” Perdue said. “It’s nationwide – people are busy with their families or they may be part of other social groups as well that take up their time.”
The poor economy also likely doesn’t help since many people have to work two jobs and they may not have the time to dedicate to volunteer to firefighting efforts.
Another possibility is that Americans in 2025 simply don’t have the same sense of duty to community service that citizens had 50 years ago.
Chairman of the Guilford County Board of Commissioners Skip Alston said the $2.3 million gap has to be addressed and said he had been meeting with other county officials on the matter and solutions were being sought.
“The fire departments do need additional funding,” Alston said, adding that there could be fire district tax rate increases in the upcoming budget. County fire departments might have to do some tightening, or it might take some combination of the two.
One high-ranking county official who asked not to be identified said he thought that, since the fire departments were told by the county that they would have the money, and those departments budgeted accordingly, Guilford County should be the party responsible for finding the funds and making up the difference, holding the fire departments harmless for the mistake.

The money is available IF our commissioners would not so freely GIVE money to unheard, no accountability individuals, parties claiming to be non- profits and businesses. WHY should the citizens of Guilford County be taxed an additional tax for our commissioners negligences. Why are county dollars going to the civil rights museum, as an example, when these same dollars could be used for the county fire departments to protect and provide for your constituents commissioners?
Fred, Fred, Fred! Whoa! Let me channel Chris a moment !
Just look how fortunate we are to even have so many fire departments here in Guilford County ! There are many counties mot so blessed as to have the same coverage as we do. You are sounding like a typical conservative that thinks a competent county government is all that’s lacking. We are blessed with a county government run by folks who appreciate the diversity of NGOs that benefit the City of Greensboro and Guilford County by helping to lower crime, like Cure Violence and help secure a more comfortable life for the homeless. They strive to make sure that all theses organisations get an equitable share of the pie. You just don’t tealize how good you’ve got it, and with the influx of businesses and people coming it’s just going to get better!
I’m wondering if part of the “missed “ shortfall was due to the 5 million over run of the new jail headquarters all due to skips racist attitude
Maybe Skip can find some money to cover this county snafu instead of increasing taxes like he loves to do. His preference is to either raise taxes and or have fire departments tighten their budget, or maybe both. Hey Skip, news flash! Reduce your DEI hires and other pet projects you prefer to fund in a bloated govt. Take care of all the citizens instead of your wasteful pet projects and paybacks to friends.
“Everyone can make mathematical errors” is what Skippy is supposed to recognize and correct. He’s such an embarrassment and the consequences fall on the taxpayer.
Why are there so many individual departments in Guilford County. Wouldn’t it be more cost efficient if it was just one department? Just having a Guilford County Fire Department? I need to have DOGE look into this.
Be careful. We’d hate to see something that makes sense.
Same old. Over the last 20 years the government has pushed out the volunteers with so much regulation. Come on Perdue, your part of the problem. Y’all pushed for all these departments to go paid. That the volunteer ain’t good enough anymore. So really Perdue it’s your fault the bugets are so high for these stations. I am sick and tired of politicians on both sides. The average person can’t afford to live in guilford county anymore. It’s all rich bastards or frickin projects.
I think you need to do a little checking before you start pointing the blame on what is causing the decline in volunteers, I will assure you that there is no one person causing this. There many reasons the number of volunteers are declining and I can assure you it is not just impacting Guilford County. The volunteers in this county have done and are doing an outstanding job providing all kinds of emergency services to the citizens over the years. The simple fact is our county is growing and the demand for service is increasing every year and if you think a fire department that is answering over 3,000 calls a year can be done solely with volunteers you are dreaming.
It appears that no one is interested in knowing how the mistake was made. There are theories but theories will not help ensure that the same or similar mistake will not happen again, which begs the question, has $2.3 million or such mistake been made before? If so, what was the cause? Are there other “mistakes” that have been hidden from the property taxpayers? Skippy’s answer is always the same, raise taxes. No, Skippy, find the $2.3 million without raising taxes. Take it from your DEI and MWBE illegal discrimination accounts.
Take the money now from all the homeless funds, pet projects of commissioners and useless funds that accomplish nothing for the tax paying citizens!! Fire departments need their money over all of these unnecessary allocated funds and another increase in taxes is OUT of the question Skippy!!
Firefighters should be mad at the Commissioners spending their budget on homeless and illegal migrants plus other “pet” projects!
I hope everyone feels so good to know the schools have $2 billion dollars sitting in the bank courtesy of the County Board of Commissars while their house burns down.
Thanks Lord Skippy
Hey, remember a few weeks ago when the school board was crying poor and sending Page parents to demand more money from the commissioners to fix the heating system? The school system already gets close to 60% of ALL property tax money. And what about the education lottery money? With all that, only half of students are even testing at grade level apparently. Why do you suppose this is the case? Go to a school board meeting for clues. And the county’s solution is to dramatically increase property taxes again so they can build $75+ million dollar new schools? Skip says you had the chance to voluntarily raise your own sales tax to fund their mismanagement, but since you didn’t, he will break you with crazy property taxes. It’s time to demand accountability. Do our elected county “leaders” serve the citizens? Or is it the other way around.
How about Mr. Alston quits funding all his friends “non-profits” and puts the money in the fire department fund?
I’m curious as to how many of skips pet non profits give donations back to his downtown money pit.
Interesting timing considering the article earlier in the week mentioned a property tax increase of not more than 32%. Is this going to be a justification campaign by the county where they parade deficit and need? Timing is suspicious.
That helps eliminate any relief we could get from the coming property tax increase. Let’s all move to California.
Why not cut all other county budgets by x percentage to make up the difference. I’m sure it would only be a percentage or 2. But old Skip goes straight to tax increases. Raise taxes the public can pay for it they always do!!!!
Elon needs to come do a audit!!!!!
One of the top 2 essential services provided by government, and they got an “F”. These old heads that have been on the County Commission need to GO! I blame Skip directly! At a time when everyone has been having to buckle down and pinch pennys, he keeps throwing money out to not as essential things. AND, on top of that, already talking about another huge tax increase next year!! What we need in Guilford County is one thing. DOGE!
All previous comments are spot on!
This is typical county political BS. Rather than defund the commissioner’s pet projects that benifit only a select few citizens, they will tell you their incompetence affects everyone! “It’s for the children”. “Give me more money and I will fix it”
It is time for a change for the commissioners. Anyone running a campaign based on “accountability” Will displace any current commissioner, even Skippy can be replaced.
Time to VOTE for a change not tax increases!
D.O.G.E,
Lord Skippy is well aware of the timing of the next election. That’s why he’s pushing reevaluation and resulting tax increases by as much as 32%.
Even if he loses in his next election he’s managed to feather the nest of all of his cronies and himself.
Nonetheless, GET OUT AND VOTE, OR JUST GET OUT?
consider reducing demands on county sheriff & fire by requiring ‘gated communities’ to hire private fire & security ? ‘volunteer’ residents could also augment the pros and offset their ‘HOA’ dues ? this would more closely resemble ‘guvmnt of by for the people’ .
.There should be three shifts, pay them 10.00 to 16.00 per hr plus benefits. That would save the city millions.
You may be onto something there Johnny.
I went back and reread your comment Johnny and found I misunderstood it and regret my comment. The rank and file firefighters deserve what they are paid and more, How about taking the vote buying “grants” the Commissioners hand out to their buddies and supporters and giving it to the people that provide necessary services to the general public like firefighters. THEY should be first priority.
My apologizes to everyone for my misunderstanding and earlier comment.
They are very overpaid, that’s the problem.
How about we get rid of pet projects, MWBE $ 1.5 million, bids on county and city projects are black-and-white how much will it cost, what will you do, when will you be done. To interject race and gender is discrimination. Long-term drug treatment facility I believe that was 8 million ? don’t tell me it was opioid money because like all other windfalls that money drys up. There are enough private drug rehab’s out there, there aren’t enough drug addicts that want to get well . Homeless programs if you make them too comfortable they’ll never get better .Fire and police are essential services what our taxes should go for the rest of it his feel-good. Why doesn’t the county have a prudent reserve for such emergencies (Accounting errors)?
Why are you so anti-firefighters? This emotion must be from personal experience.
The problem is there are so many Non profit fire departments that the county is paying to provide a service that they no longer can provide. The days of volunteers are gone the state of NC has made the requirements to become a firefighter extremely challenging for someone just wanting to give their time to their community. It is a hard job to be a firefighter and the job has become so much more than just fighting fires. Guilford County needs to be one big department like Greensboro. It needs to be GUILFORD COUNTY FIRE. Stop giving money to all these non profits and make it one department like they do in new Hanover county. Guilford County spent $500k 5 years ago on a study for this exact reason and the study showed that’s what we need. WHY HAVEN’T WE DONE IT
Commissioners and staff make the error….then it’s their responsibility. I can go to others to give me money when I make mistakes with my money.. your fault, you pay!
Another reason why an Independant Audit needs to be conducted in Guilford County. Taxpayers continue to get the raw deal. Higher taxes, less services and SKIPY’S and his non profits keep getting their pockets lined. When will the Guilford County voters (REPUBLICANS and INDEPENDANTS) stand up and vote these Democrats out that are killing the County. The United States has figured it out by electing Trump who is already fixing the past 4 years of Democratic wasteful spending. From here on out we need to get Conservative REPUBLICANS back in office to have a better lifestyle.
Guilford voters also need to elect Conservative Republicans to County Commissioner positions to address the needs of the County. They should be sitting down with all Department heads and address the problems they are having,
Simple remedy. Nine new commissioners.
Do the city commissioners and city council read what they helped create about this debacle? UNFORGIVEABLE, just no excuse, it is blatant incompentence. So much of what these people do is about popularity (like they are a rock star) without any experience in the field nor AUDITS – it is disgusting- hey they have done the 8 yrs and in the second round are messing Greensboro up in ways that usurp all efforts made to bring jobs and housing here. It is so laughable from other towns, cities and plain government abuse of powers. HELP! One is part of the problem or part of the solution. The weight of problems created are the two entities mentioned.
It is not a “shortfall” (lefty term), it is a windfall for the Faithful.