For years, the City of Greensboro has been having a long discussion – and been putting a lot of attention into – the questions of when Greensboro police officers should or should not pull someone.
On Tuesday, June 10, Greensboro’s Criminal Justice Advisory Committee, and Human Rights Commission – together with the City’s Community Safety and Police departments – will present a “Traffic Stop Policy Panel Discussion and Community Conversation.”
That will run from 6 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. and be held at the Barber Park Event Center at 1502 Barber Park Dr. in Greensboro.
City officials are describing the discussion as a “family-friendly event” that will feature “a panel discussion among local leaders, policy experts, and law enforcement officials about Greensboro’s traffic stop policies.”
The topics discussed will include existing traffic stop policies and procedures, community concerns and experiences, and transparency and accountability.
The panel will also talk about ideas for enhancing public safety and trust.
Following the discussion, attendees will be able to take part in a question-and-answer session as well as a community dialogue.
The goal of the event is “to foster mutual understanding and identify actionable steps forward.”
Light refreshments will be served.
You can register to attend and direct questions to the Human Rights Department at engagement@greensboro-nc.gov or call 336-373-7980.
The Greensboro Criminal Justice Advisory Commission is made up of nine City Council-appointed residents and it’s tasked with a wide range of objectives that are part of the justice continuum.
For instance, it serves to:
- Identify, address, and monitor issues
- Educate and advocate for the public through forums on justice-related topics and study trends in policing strategies within the Greensboro Police Department
- Provide perspective on policies that affect the public’s interaction with law enforcement.
You can learn more about it at www.greensboro-nc.gov/GCJAC.
The Human Rights Commission is meant to promote “mutual understanding, respect, and fair treatment of all Greensboro residents regardless of race, color, national origin, religion, gender, age, disability, or familial status.”
Information about that commission can be found at www.greensboro-nc.gov/hrc.
I drive about 30,000 miles a year in my job, and much of it in Greensboro. In recent years I have noticed many more cars with expired stickers on their tags. This is predominantly in South/Southeast Greensboro. Presumably, these vehicles also lack insurance.
Why are they not being pulled over?
Cause not guilty guilford county courts do nothing about it. The officer that pulls them over has to waste time doing paperwork and sit in court for the day watching them get a slap on the wrist.
losing a day’s work or fun sitting in court is more than a slap on wrist.
It actually formally a part of their job in supporting due process of law. Weird he doesn’t support that idea. Oh right. He must be a conservative.
Chris great article in today’s Greensboro paper about a traffic stop that occurred in late May. You should read it. It will show you why Police do the type of stops you’re against. You can find it
online if don’t have a paper.
I have not read the Greensboro paper in years. But I will ask a question….how many innoceent people have to tolerate harresment by police to justify one successful pretext stop? What, is the number you think is ok?
Most studies indicates that pretext stops only lead to a major crime arrest or drug bust less than 2% of the time. Maybe police could find a more effective way to solve crimes.
Really good question Al. I see the same thing, it seems that the respect for following the law has gone to hell, started after george floyd and blm. Drivers in Greensboro are just plain rude and don’t give a rats butt about anyone else.
Especially true of black drivers
Read the article you buttwipe before you start throwing your statistics, maybe people will not think you’re as as ignorant as you really are. The article actually shows both sides of the issue. You are one stupid person
It’s a complicated answer that starts with the Ferguson incident and leading up through George Floyd and COVID. After Ferguson, public sentiment surrounding police took a down turn. Then King Dummy, police chief Wayne Scott, foolishly did an article with the NY Times that led to a radical change in GPD traffic stop policies. I think I read that they couldn’t do stops for equipment violations or something to that effect.
Then other events occurred, culminating in Floyd and COVID hitting at roughly the same time. Police had already been doing fewer stops. At that point, stops all but vanished, according to my sources. On top of that, public sentiment had hit such a low point that GPD suffered dramatic staffing shortages. No one wanted to be a cop. So that snowballed into officers, who were pretty new when this all started, now being the training officers for the new rookies. These training officers spent their early years not stopping cars, and so they train the new kids not to stop cars. That’s where GPD is now.
On the plus side, I hear Chief Thompson seems to have gotten the attrition issue under control and officers can now do stops without the foolish restrictions Wayne Scott imposed. Still, it will take a long time to get officers back into the habit of stopping cars again. Old habits die hard and bad habits even harder.
The bigger question is does Latisha McNeil get paid by the City of Greensboro two (2) salaries for leading the Greensboro Criminal Justice Advisory Committee AND the Greensboro Public Safety Department?
Scott?
My tag goes expired all the time since they stopped having the window sticker and between my car and the kid’ cars I lose track of when to get them inspected. So, I wouldn’t assume they don’t have insurance as much as they either lose track as I do or they don’t like paying taxes.
Here we go Austin Chris is admitting he is a liberal lawbreaker. Sitting a bad example for his boys
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He’s just an all around wanker, Will. Like us all, he has about two months notice to renew his sticker. But he can’t even do that. If you were an employer who needed a reliable dependable employee, would you hire a guy like him?
As we say in England, he couldn’t even “organize a Piss Up in a brewery”.
Pathetic individual.
More childish name calling from a conservative. Yawn.
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True though, isn’t it?
I would suggest that calling others childish names might fit those definitions ‘wanker’ and pathetic individual’ far more than a guy who doesn’t worry about governmental admirative tasks.
But you be you. Best wishes.
No-one can understand your gibberish, Einstein.
Chris, most of the time, I think you’re an idiot, but here is something we can both agree on. I too, often let my registration lapse, and have often thought it was due to the old school windows stickers being gone.
I still think any cars with past due registrations need to be pulled over, and at the very least given a verbal warning that they need to get their registration updated. I don’t know what Greensboro’s policies are, but years ago in Archdale, I got written up for expired tags. The officer handed me my citation, and told my if I brought it up to the station within 3 days with my updated registration, they would tear it up. I think part of the reason I received that treatment is that I wasn’t an a$$hole to the officer, and treated him the way I wanted to be treated. The other partial reason is that the officer, and the APD, were more concerned that my vehicle was properly registered, and safe.
Anyways, GPD needs to get back to making sure people’s cars are properly registered – part of renewing the registration is the safety inspection. Having people driving around with bald tires, burned out head/tail lights, or bad wipers is dangerous for everyone on the road. They don’t necessarily have to issue fines with court costs, but they need to do their job and make sure people are obeying the laws. That is still their job, right?
Can’t see why car registration is that important for cops to manage. The county knows if you have paid your taxes and registered your car. Let them handle it. It’s just paperwork.
No Chris not just paperwork, it’s called a LAW I hope your kids grow up smarter than you and they understand following rules and laws is what separates us from the monkeys in the trees
Right let the registers office handle it via the mail. They know if you have updated your registration on time. Why waste police resources. Seems highly inefficient.
Funny how conservatives are so worried about the law but cry foul when their ‘dear leader’ is required to follow THE LAW in his role as POTUS. Lmao.
Typical Hypocritical conservative.
is it worth putting cops in danger. is it worth the time effort cost ? will you be ‘pulled over’ in the future because your high mileage violates the air pollution laws ?
Of course you don’t worry about those pesky Al Admirative tasks do you after all it’s just a “petty” crime,what’s a little lawbreaking gonna hurt Good thing to teach your kids. That’s what a lot of black parents teach their kids today. That’s the reason society is the way it is today. No respect for rules or laws. Do you think George Floyd had those life lessons early in his life.
First, being a cop is a dangerous job. They knew that when they filled out their job application. That’s why they carry a variety of weapons and wear kevlar.
Second, if pulling someone over because their tags are expired turns out to be dangerous, that driver doesn’t need to be out driving around. They need to be arrested.
Let the GPD do their damn jobs that they’re getting paid for.
Let me guess. . .. east Greensboro wants to get rid of traffic stops. Could it be that there are more stops affecting one race versus another? Creating laws and regulations to appease one group or the other is a foolish use of time and resources.
I thought traffic stop policies followed NC traffic laws. I was unaware that police could pick and choose what traffic violations to enforce. If a traffic law states a vehicle being driven must have working taillights, then a vehicle being driven must have working taillights, and if not, the driver should be pulled over and a ticket given to the driver.
And, if the inspection is out of date, then the registration is not current, which means vehicle taxes have not been paid, and most likely the vehicle is uninsured; the vehicle should then be towed. Otherwise, the vehicle will continue to be driven without payment of taxes and without insurance. Why have traffic laws not enforced? I suspect Greensboro police policies are based on DEI enforcement.
Not really the GPD’s fault. A few years ago the old Police Chief was given directions by the current council to stop what was deemed at that time “unnecessary” Police stops. This action by the council was right after
George Floyd and the blm was painted on main
street downtown. Call all the council members and let them know how you feel
Term Limits you ate correct, When should an officer stop a motorist? It is pretty “D” simple. The officer should stop a motorist when they observe a violation of the law. Hello! I am telling you, these liberals and their “foolish” thinking. Frankly I am tired of all of this total lawlessness in Greensboro. You can’t drive two miles in this town without observing someone breaking the law in some fashion. Violation of traffic laws has gone completely out of site and some liberal bunch is wondering when officers should stop motorist. Your life is in jeopardy when you drive in Greensboro. Any degree of traffic enforcement in Greensboro is at a minimum.
It really is a matter of priority of limited policing resources. Non-moving violations for example don’t really improve the public safety as much as, for example, responding to a domestic dispute call, or patrolling troubled areas of the city.
But the real truth is that minor stops are used to harass lower income people in hopes of catching them with minor drug violations or an excuse to check for warrants against random people, etc… it especially targets minorities of course. It has become known as getting pulled for ‘driving while black’. I have a number of friends and work associates who have a mountain of stories for this type of harassing stops that lead to no tickets being issued and the world being no safer. It happens often enough that they have to have a sit down with their kids and walk them through their rights and how to avoid giving an officer an ‘excuse’ to escalate the stop.
It’s not ok if you want to pretend this doesn’t happen on a daily basis. It’s even worse to pretend that it makes Greensboro a safer place, because it doesn’t.
But you be you.
Chris, “But the real truth is that minor stops are used to harass lower income people in hopes of catching them with minor drug violations…”
Yes, that makes total sense, all cops want, all they dream of every single day, is to harass low income people and score minor drug busts. (Insert sarcastic eye roll) You are an idiot.
The truth is that traffic stops serve a lot of purposes all at once. They publicly advertise police presence as a general deterrent, they enforce the actual traffic laws, they do help to locate wanted people, but apparently Chris would rather robbers, burglars, and murderers go free. And yes, officers do use a traffic stop as an investigative tool to uncover larger crimes. But almost no cop is coming to work hoping to spend their day harassing the lower class or hoping to find that single marijuana joint so they can spend the next three hours doing paperwork for it. Get real, moron.
Go do a ride along and learn something to educate you on your bigoted view.
Lol, they even have a name for it. It’s called pretext stop. Statistically you will find that they are disproportionately used against minority drivers. Especially lower income drivers. The black community has a name for it too….guilty of ‘driving while black’.
Insult me all you want but this is a well-known issue in the black community and has often been a focus on legal challenges in courts. Heck there is even a large number of YouTube channels that focus on this abuse by police. Audit the Audit is a good one if you want to check it out.
Your willful ignorance on this issue cracks me up as it is well known and not new.
Here is a good source outlying the issue if you choice to stop being willfuly ignorant on the topic:
https://www.policingproject.org/pretext-legislation#:~:text=Potential%20Legislative%20Approaches-,Overview,policing%20and%20limit%20its%20use. (be sure to click on the pdf link with the dept of detail)
Best wishes.
Ah yes, YouTube and First Amendment Auditors, the finest source of facts. At least you didn’t cite TikTok as your source.
What watching police ‘live in action’ violating people’s rights as broken down by an attorney too much reality for you?
What cop gets out of bed hoping to spend his day doing hours and hours of paperwork for low level crimes? I must have missed all the cop shows based on that premise. You have the most screwed up perception of reality I have ever seen, Chris.
That’s just it. They don’t ticket for non-moving violation. It’s just an excuse to stop and harass drivers they think might have warrants or drug possession.
So, if they suspect someone is wanted or has drugs, you don’t think they should investigate? Got it.
If it is true harassment, as you claim, there would be masses of lawsuits and lots of fired cops that would result in a sweeping reform. That’s not happening, so I think your POV is a bit skewed, probably from watching too much YouTube. What you are calling harassment is an officer pulling someone over for breaking the law. Sure, it might be a minor violation, but you said yourself that they don’t ticket for that. Just give a warning. That sounds like good police work to me. If you don’t like it, then get the law changed so that everyone can just drive around in broken down POS cars with parts falling off, no insurance, and no registration.
Even if it is a pretextual stop, the courts, at the Supreme Court level, have already soundly ruled that such stops are totally valid. They essentially said, if you don’t want to get pulled over, stop breaking the law. If you’re too lazy to get your taillight fixed and you have a bag of cocaine in the car seems like that’s on you. (US v Whren)
How is NOT getting a ticket harassment? It seems to me that if I got stopped for an expired tag and didn’t get a ticket, I would be thanking the officer. If I had dope or was wanted, isn’t that really on me and not the officer who is just doing their job? You have a jacked up view of things.
If any of your friends were truly being harassed, they should file suit and make money, maybe inspire change through the courts instead telling stories. They won’t though because they know they were in the wrong. You’re a blowhard, man.
Don’t, they only reqson the police ‘suspect’ drugs is thst the driver looks low income and most often black. Studies show these type of stops only lead to major crime arrests less than 2 percent of the time and many of times don’t even lead to a ticket, just a warning.
Yes, just a warning….for breaking the law …that’s not harassment. You know cops are assigned to specific areas, right? They don’t decide one day to slide over from the rich neighborhood to harass some blacks in the poor area. They are assigned to a specific geographic area, the same area, every single day. so if that area is a low income neighborhood, that’s the only area where they would be doing any traffic stop. They aren’t picking “the blacks”, they are just stopping cars in an area that’s all.kst entirely minority. You’re a silly bigot.
So from what I can decipher from your error filled post, cops stop people for violations. They let them off with warnings. And sometimes they solve major crimes. Sounds excellent to me. A 2% chance to randomly solve a serious crime sounds pretty good actually, by the way.
And yes, there are a few bad cops, and those cops generate hits on the news and social media, but those are the minority. Otherwise agencies would be bankrupt from all the lawsuits. Use your brain, Chris, if you can.
Timmy, being stopped and pressured into consenting to have your car search, your person searched. Often if you don’t consent to a search, you have to wait while they request a drug dog etc…
All this takes time. How often can you afford to be stopped for 15 to 20 minutes on your way to pick up kids, get to work, run an errand, etc…
And how would you feel being accused of having drugs in your car just because of the way you look or where you live? It is BS lazy police work that rarely leads to anything effective. not to mention it violates YOUR civil rights for cops to trump up a fake excuse in ‘hopes’ of finding a more serious crime which they rarely do. And you wonder why the black community (who is target in this way far more often than people in the white community) have such a bad relationship with cops.
But you be you.
I’m confused, Chris. Which is it, are they forgetting stopped for minor, but legitimate, violations, or are cops “trumping up a fake excuse” to pull you over? For the entirely of this conversation you have been saying the reason for the stop was legit but pretextual, and now it’s suddenly trumped up? You’re moving the goal posts.
All Greensboro cops have body cameras. All stops and requests for consent are recorded. Anyone involved in the stop can go watch the footage. If consent is coerced, that would come out in court. If the stop was invalid, that would come out in court. Any lawsuit would be easily won with said footage. I’m just not seeing or hearing much about GPD doing illegal stops and searches. Sure they mess up from time to time, but where is the mass conspiracy you keep alluding to? It’s just not there dude.
And they can’t detain you to bring the dog without additional cause to extend the stop. It’s spelled out by the supreme court. Same deal, if they did, it would be on video and easily proven in court, but haven’t read or heard much about it in Greensboro, man.
I know cops do wrong from time to time, but not in any kind of identifiable trend. I imagine that you’re seeing a few hundred or even a few thousand YouTube examples that have occurred over the span of several years out of the hundreds of thousands of vehicle stops that have occurred over that time period across the nation. It’s a few data points in a massive pool of data, not a trend and certainly not a conspiracy.
Great question Timmy.
It is a bit of both. In one video I watched on YouTube the other day, the officer pulled to black me over driving an Audio S5 for having broken license plate lights. Yet in all the video of the engagement, the license plate lights worked! The officer claimed they didn’t work when they were driving but they were working when they were standing next to the car.
Of course, all of his questioning of the driving was immediately about why they in the neighborhood were, where were they going etc.. Then of course came the favorite question, do you have drugs and when they say no, the officers says “mind if we search your car?” and then the harassment has really begun and the real reason for the stop starts in…
I hope that example helps. If you want to claim that police pulling people over because they ‘think’ the license plate lights not working will save lives? If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
Again if you care about this topic give it a read here:
https://www.aclu.org/publications/driving-while-black-racial-profiling-our-nations-highways
You are mistaken, Chris. Stopping a driver driving a vehicle violating the law helps keep everyone safer. If a traffic stop is initiated and the driver is a felon in possession of a gun, that stop keeps the public safer.
Your “truth” about Blacks being stopped because they are Black is such an old and disproven conception formed in the minds of Blacks based on what Blacks have conjured up to play the victim. If Blacks are stopped more frequently, maybe it is because their vehicles are in violation of traffic laws more often. If liability auto insurance cannot be purchased for whatever reason and a person drives the vehicle anyway, they should be pulled over and the car towed, even if the driver is wearing a bunny suit. Car windows are so darkly tinted in violation of the law, it would be impossible to see the occupants, including the color of a person’s skin and physical features. Why aren’t the too darkly tinted windows allowed to be driven on the streets? But they are. Give up the idea that Blacks are pulled over more often because they are Black. This is an excuse to play the race card.
Here is a quick summary article of the issue, its history and recent relevance if you care to read it. It is a well-studied topic with a wealth of data and analysis.
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/law/driving-while-black-traffic-stops-and-race#:~:text=He%20found%20the%20rate%20at,of%20the%20individuals%20pulled%20over.
Here is a modern example on video if interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnm20nacrRs Pulled for going 65 in a 70 speed zone. Total BS
Pretty simple, break the law and you should be stooped.What a waste of time.
But not if your are rioting and beating up police at the capitol building? Or you are coming banking fraud by lying about property values on loan applications? Or if you coming fraud in running a ‘charity’. Or if you sexually assault a woman and then slander her publicly. Etc.. etc…etc…etc…
Funny how conservatives are so perfectly happy with people breaking the law if thst person is ‘one of them’. Conservstives can never claim to be the party of justice ever again.
What? Are you talking about Clinton? Your typos are confusing.
Riiiiight, like a broken license plat light is worth the time of an officer to stop you and save how many lives? Of course, when they do stop you, they don’t care about the broken license plate light, they want to know why you are in the neighborhood, where are you going, then they start in on the ‘I smell drugs’ BS and want to search your car etc…. If you don’t consent, they call in a drug dog. Who is safer as a result of this stop? And kinda funny how this mostly happens with only younger black males. Hmmmmm….. wonder why?
If you think that is a good and proper use of police resources, I suggest you reconsider what is required for public safety. Fixing an insignificant light most people don’t even notice exists isn’t it.
But you be you.
The 1st 5 comments are on to something! Another forum to cause racists issues…hey, it’s Greensboro, what do you expect?
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Discussing racial differences doesn’t cause racism any more than discussing nuclear war causes nuclear war.
Time and time again the City of Greensboro, our Mayor, and our Chief of Police deceive us with these dog and pony shows under the pretense that they are interested in your input! What a joke this is! They do nothing but talk and take no action!
If I ever hear again the phrase from our City Leaders “If you see something, say something” I may throw up. I see City Vehicles time and time again all over our city pass by Building Code Violations, Storm Water Drain Violations, Horrendous Traffic Law Violations, and numerous City Ordinance Violations. Are these City Employes exempt from practicing such advice? Meanwhile, hardly ever is a effort made by our city to correct these issues. We all are not quite that stupid!
It’s like this. The minorities don’t want to be bothered by the police as they tool around looking for a good place to burglarize.
Any intimidation of the police is welcome so they can operate without worrying about going to jail.
White people commit burglary too.
He never mentioned “white people”, so guess that is a presumption?
He said minorities which includes everyone but whites.
Scott White people are close to being minorities in Greensboro
Not necessarily when it comes to Greensboro Scott. Haven’t I heard that Greensboro is a minority-majority city?
Yes, it looks like I was wrong about this as it pertains to the city of Greensboro.
Minorities has long been a generic term for people other than white. (they are still the minority nationally). In no way would anyone assume his comment was taking into account the racial makeup of the city of Greensboro as most people don’t go around calling ‘whites’ minorities that I have ever heard of.
But go ahead and provide cover for a blatantly racist comment by John M Hames. Weird.
John said minorities. Census data for 2020 shows that blacks outnumber whites in Greensboro by about 8,000. So whites are a minority and blacks are not.
John that’s a little too much racism…the issue here is elements in the City don’t want to have traffic stops for busted taillights and expired registrations because of past police issues not to mention George Floyd. Those policing issues can be rectified…but a breakdown of law and order begins with ignoring laws that are in place to protect the general public from negligence and reckless regard of life. Everyone loses when that happens. The City is endangering the majority by favoring the minority.
Your comment on “The City is endangering the majority by favoring the minority” is the truth. I would leave GBO in a minute, but my wife would divorce me.
One thing the city could do is eliminate the practice of aligning voting districts to ensure all of them have a piece of the population in the central part of Greensboro. Then again, politicians never liked straight lines.
Thanks Joe!
Let me clarify. The majority includes law abiding minorities as well. When drunk drivers, speeders, the uninsured and stop sign runners are allowed to run around it endangers ALL citizens. The recent rash of hit and runs killed mostly African Americans. So by protecting the few motor going scofflaws from a potential skew in police interaction statistics for fear of racial imbalance or worse a physical altercation with officers ( which could be solved by simply following commands) the result is EVERYONE is put at risk. Minorities, whites, liberals and conservatives all suffer bodily and financial injury from the careless.
I don’t think that is the issue Liberals are trying to address. The use of very minor justifications for a traffic stop, especially non-moving violations has a long history of being used to escalate a stop for an unjustified search of the car where the officer is hoping to find drugs or to run a random citizen through the system in hopes of finding an outstanding warrant. Never of these are effective use of time and neither of these make the city any safer.
The ‘just comply’ gets old if you are stopped regularly for these types of ‘fishing’ expeditions by cops who think that a minor drug possession bust, or the random minor outstanding warrant is more exciting than actually working hard to keep the city a safer place all at the cost of highly stressful situations for, who it turns out, are very innocent hard working members of the community.
Sorry Chris but that’s just not correct. (Posting up here in response)
So a terribly misapplied policy that in part was a response to a NYTimes article years before George Floyd results in ZERO policing of our road ways and thus rampant disregard for traffic laws put in place for the safety of the public.
There are better ways to protect the public from what you percieve as aggressive policing…getting rid or restricting qualified immunity.
You ALWAYS post sentiments suggesting blacks are victims. I think they like myself are responsible citizens fully capable of following the law or suffering the consequences.
This current policy puts everyone regardless race at risk on the roadways.
Last I checked there is still plenty of policing of our streets (granted I live in a different county these days). Speeding, DUI, etc… all remain an important priority for local police.
Yup, the black community remains impacted by the US’s long history of racism via being held within the trappings of poverty intentionally by bigotry, discrimination and out right racism (although less today than in the past). Want me to recommend so good reading on the topic to help you understand both the history and that data analysis that supports this fact? Or do you prefer to just pretend it isn’t true and everything is great for people of color in this country? It is a complex issue with few easy answers. Policing is just one of the issues.
Chris since you don’t live in Greensboro you really don’t know then…do you?
I still attend Church in Greensboro so am there a good bit.
I don’t see anyone getting pulled over in Greensboro. It’s the wild west out there. What happened to the road checks
Joe Bucket Chris doesn’t live in Greensboro but he’s like the “all seeing, all knowing Oz”. He’s a wizard on every subject.
Stop into traffic court one morning. Please ty of people will disagree with you. Researching this type of information is really easy now that we have AI apps on our smart phones. Give it a try.
Speeding tickets alone were approx 1k per month in Greenboro based on a local law firms statistics they use to find clients.
East Greensboro my foot…nobody anywhere gets pulled for ANYTHING! The current mamby pamby approach to traffic to enforcement has opened the doors for blatant disregard for the law from black, white, Latino, Asians and about anybody you could think of including conservatives. The very wording of the “community” dialogue efforts reveal that the bigger community at large will continue to be put in danger while the liberals wring their hands over the perceived injustices to that minority “community” that comes from traffic enforcement.
Police stopping minorities for a failure to use turn signal when changing lanes or a broken license plate light, or something dangling from their review mirror is going to solve Greensboro’s crime problems? LMAO, get real.
The real danger is police using the ‘driving while black’ trick in hopes of catching them with some sort of other crime (hint most of the time they don’t) because they are incapable of stopping major crime IS part of the problem in my opinion. Police should focus on major crime and let the administration of car inspections; registration updates be handled with existing protocols and controls. Using police man hours for such administrative offenses doesn’t improve public safety at all.
please < traffic wherever i'm at. thank you.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/triad/news/2015/12/16/changes-in-greensboro-police-traffic-stop-policy-impacting-racial-disparities
This goes back a long way. It’s the DEI Traffic policy in action. The New York Times found that in Greensboro, traffic stops based solely on the race of the offender, black individuals were disproportionately stopped in comparison to white individuals. The place where it seemed to be the most extreme was the equipment stops. So the answer was to just change that policy, eliminate most of those stops, and ipso facto traffic stops are now more equitable……..
The topics discussed will include transparency and accountability. Equity. They forgot equity.
I see a lot of migrants with illegal tags, sometimes no tags at all. Wasn’t there a big drug bust in Brown Sumit the other day?
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Hispanic immigrants don’t believe in automobile insurance, Johnny! That’s for white people.
That’s why they started charging us for “Uninsured/Underinsured Drivers” riders on our policies year ago.
So we have to pay more because they don’t pay anything. If they hit your car, you won’t get shit.
Celebrate diversity!
White people drive uninsured too! Please show us your facts?
Get real, Joe.
Asking for facts is ‘getting real’ versus your presumptive word where minorities are the only ones causing all the problems of society.
A person can opt out of “Uninsured/Underinsured Drivers” coverage. Prior to the change, Uninsured/Underinsured Drivers” coverage had to be requested; it was not offered automatically. But because the many, many uninsured drivers were involved in accidents resulting in financial losses to innocent people, the Insurance Commissioner’s office made the change to automatically include the coverage, but the coverage can be refused, it is not required to be purchased. Of course, that would be at your own peril. Insurance coverage is REQUIRED for all vehicles driven on public roads in NC. So why is a driver without auto insurance allowed to drive away from a traffic stop? The car is still being driven without insurance. If laws are not enforced, noncompliance increases exponentially, less enforcement, less compliance.
As property insurance continues to rise well above the rate of inflation, this problem will continue to grow. It’s not a racial issue as Austin wants to claim, it is an economic issue as more and more families are living paycheck to paycheck with no savings.
Now that is true. But it’s a “local” property tax. Guess raises those?
marklsparkl, you are so right to bring up Officer Safety. It must be nerve-wracking to pull someone over: very stressful, let alone dangerous. Please consider our police force in your discussion… Our officers need to be protected and pulling over people is not safe as letting them drive on to their house where you can send them a letter to appear in court!
why do people with the hardest riskiest unpredictable jobs get paid so LITTLE ! ? i can’t imagine having a job where my most important ‘tool’ is a gun because i might need it who knows when.
Because remuneration depends on the wealth the individual creates. No-one in The Parasitic Sector creates wealth since no profit is created.
If they feel they’re underpaid they are free to seek alternative employment.
what wealth does an oncologist create? artist? philosopher?
They do receive a very generous pension (full retirement benefits after 30 years any age or full benefits after 5 years at 50 years of age) similar to our military veterans that allows them to move on to a lower stressed career long before retirement age. They also have a wide range of overtime or private pay rolls they can play to increase their income that many are able to take advantage.
FYI, other city employees do not have the same pension plan as they receive only a defined benefit plan at 5% of salary in a 401k type plan. These plans have a penalty if you draw on the income prior to age 59 1/2.
Wrong again, dummy. Every city employee gets the exact same base retirement, which is based on 30 years of service and equates to about half of their salary. And all city employees get a 401k or similar deferred compensation package that they have to contribute to themselves. The city does match contributions to 401(a) up to 3.25% for all city employees and 401(k) accounts up to 5% for police.
Police do get some benefits that others don’t like being able to withdraw from 401(k) earlier, but that’s a federal rule, not a city rule. And cops get a supplemental retirement salary that lasts until they are 62. On the other hand they do not earn social security benefits as a Greensboro Police Officer. So when most people start drawing that, the cops have to hit their 401(k) instead.
And the retirement benefit after 5 years is not a full pension. All pensions are calculated based on the number of years of service. I think the formula is: 1.85% x Years of Service x Salary. So they would get a very tiny pension, not a full pension.
All of this is easily located in the internet, but you just talk out of your ass about stuff. So dumb.
All he ever does is talk out of his ass, Officer Don.
Nah, I just know a guy. 🙂 Plus, it is clearly spelled out on the city website under their job advertisements.
Finally. Some definitive proof that all of Chris’s so called research is fake. Don found something on the city web page, which I also found by the way, that totally and clearly refutes what Chrissy put out there as a fact about retirement from the city. Good job, Don. That boy really is full of it.
Chris? Hello Chris? Facts got you scared? Realizing people know you’re a blowhard now?
Thank you for the clarity.
Greensboro city employees generally participate in the North Carolina Teachers’ and State Employees’ Retirement System (TSERS), while police officers participate in the Law Enforcement Officers Retirement System (LEORS). I tried to sort through the differences but as i read the material it seemed very clear that LEORS offers specific benefits like unreduced retirement at earlier ages for longer service, special retirement supplements, and joint survivor annuities, which are not part of the standard TSERS program.
My apologies if I got some of the particulars inaccurately summarized.
Oh, and I am not a Dummy. I was 90% correct.
I suggest one of the reasons that conservatives remain willfully ignorant as they struggle with the idea that is ok to make mistakes. You can’t learn unless you take risk and admit to being wrong on occasion.
Again, i thank you for first reading my comment, second pointing out a few minor inaccuracies.
I still be comfortable that city employees have a different Retirement benefit plan than police and that the police plan has more generous retirement terms than your basic city employee.
Thanks again. But ….1 – stop the childish name calling and 2 – better men are open to admitting make mistakes from time to time, not as a flaw but as a great way to become more intelligent by learning from others versus doubling down whenever facts are shared that point to an error in logic as so many conservatives do.
But you be you.
You were not 90% correct. You were about as far off base as possible. You tried to say employees only got 5% of their salary in a 401k plan. That isn’t a little bit wrong, it’s entirely wrong. And that was just one sentence of your error filled reply.
Here’s the issue: You say you do research and you present your “research” as fact but now we can clearly see that you can’t even decipher the meaning of a benefits package listed on a job application website. So now the guy who cannot be bothered to check his spelling also cannot be bothered to check his facts. Seems like a dummy to me.
Right. They are required to contribute 6% in their defined benefit plan. Not 5%. 5 is the number of years required for vesting in the plan
My premise still stands. Police and city employees have different retirement plans with the police plan offering full benefits earlier than city employees (LGERS vs TSERS). Law Enforcement Officers qualify for unreduced benefits at age 55 with 5 years of creditable service where the age for Non-LOEs is 65. (or age 60 with 20 years of credible service).
I would prefer the Police plan is my point hence my statement that I was 90% right. Just flubbed the details. Semantics really. If it makes you feel better, you can say I was 10% right on the details but the point I was making remains 100% correct.
Understanding retirement packages can be confusing. Not a hard thing to make a mistake on the details. Not sure why you are so upset over it. But, thanks again for pointing out my error. It is appreciated.
Best wishes.
My source if interested: https://help.myncretirement.com/non-retiree-resources/retirement-planning/law-enforcement-officer-retirement-eligibility#:~:text=LEOs%20can%20retire%20with%20a,Plan)%20are%20also%20not%20affected.
That’s their damn jobs. That’s what they signed on for. That’s why they’re armed and why they wear kevlar.
If someone is too dangerous to pull over for expired tags, they need to be arrested and locked up. Not out riding around all willy-nilly, continuing to be a danger to the tax payers.
Those officers are there to protect us. We protect them by not only giving them what they need to do their jobs, but also by allowing them to do their jobs. The key problem here is that right now, they’re not doing their jobs. Nobody is protected when the police have their hands tied behind their backs, and they’re told to not do their jobs.
If pulling people over was safe, we wouldn’t need the police to do it, would we?
Stop and frisk
Yeah, the constitution isn’t a fan of randomly invading people’s privacy for ‘hopes’ of stopping crime.
Stop and frisk is not random. It is carried out in high crime areas and is based on observed behavior and known criminals. It is not directed at the public at large. But those who oppose stop and frisk paint a picture that all citizens are vulnerable. Not true.
The key is ‘reasonable suspension’ per the 4th amendment and just being black in a particular neighborhood is not sufficient for a warrantless search. It is a policy that is often abused by police so is no longer a practiced openly used by police in most cities given the number of civil lawsuits it creates when abused. Especially now that they are so easily filmed to provide the lack of ‘reasonable suspension’.
Thank you Don, I love to see Chris get his a$$ handed to him. It just happened last week with Gsoman about how the YMCA handled its business. Chris is a wanker.
Nope. I had a corrected handed to me with a bag of insults. Classic conservative mindset to think to make a mistake is failure versus learning. It’s a big part of why conservatives are so suspectable to conspiracy theories. They double down on their falsehoods in fear of having to admit to making mistakes.
But you be you.
The GPD has become similar to London.
because of fewer crazies with guns they can use different tactics such as ‘pile on’ with overwhelming meatpower rather than gunpower. let’s start an exchange program with their similar sized city ?
Not quite yet, thank God.
thank humans – they’re real & can reciprocate.
Scott not sure if you read the local fishwrap, I have been reading the physical paper for over 50 years, just part of drinking my coffee every day. Today’s paper has 2 good letters to the editor that puts the whole Greensboro traffic stops into perspective. Just thinking it may make a good article to try and help people understand it’s not just a Black- Police issue nor is it a us versus them issue. Thanks for the Rhino.