Questions About Vaccines
Dear Editor,
I am not anti-vaccine. However, I believe the COVID-19 vaccine being so new (heck, COVID has only been around for less than three years) should be something an individual decides along with their physician if it is right for them.
We don’t know the long term effects of COVID, much less the long term effects of the COVID vaccine.
When the chicken pox vaccine first came out my pediatrician advised against giving it to my children. Their reason, it was unknown at that time how long the vaccine would last and chickenpox in children is less severe than getting it as an adult. Now it is a vaccine routinely given and was given to my grandchild.
There are several things that were deemed safe when they first came out but proved problematic in the long term. Thalidomide, DES (diethylstilbestrol), hormone replacement therapy for all women and heroin as the “safe” way to get off opium are just a few examples.
There are so many aspects of the policies and mandates that don’t make sense. Why was hydroxychloroquine not allowed to be given when COVID first appeared? It was a drug that had been around for years, the side effects were well known and physicians could have prescribed off label use. It became forbidden to prescribe or dispense for COVID. Why? Same thing happened with ivermectin. What other disease have we forbidden doctors to use treatments they feel are in the best interest of their patients? Why are we not studying how long immunity may last if someone recovers from a COVID infection?
Covid has been around for almost two-and-a-half years and we are still proclaiming emergency orders. Why? The greater good? I know a lot of people look with derision upon those espousing individual freedoms over the greater good, but our country was founded on upholding individual freedoms. Young people have been shown to be very unlikely to get sick with COVID. The vaccine can produce severe long lasting effects on this cohort yet we are pushing mandates on this age group. Why?
The unvaccinated are being blamed for the spread of COVID and its variants. How do we know for sure vaccinated people can’t spread COVID? What about the possibility that universal vaccine may cause a more virulent mutation of the virus since the current vaccine only causes an immune response to the spike protein? What happens if the virus mutates to evade that? What does over vaccination cause? Viruses have been mutating for years and if this is a man engineered virus how do we know more rapid mutations aren’t part of the process?
There are many things we could force people to do for the greater good. Giving blood comes to mind. It would save millions of lives. What about forced organ donation? Is it really such a leap from the mandates now in effect?
If COVID scares you beyond living then you can isolate yourself but please don’t force me. I recommend washing hands, disinfecting surfaces, getting vaccinated if you want (it has been proven to be an excellent idea for specific groups) and spending a lot of time outdoors if you are able.
We can choose to live in fear or we can choose to live. Let us not give up our right to choose.
Susan Smoot
Universal Vaccine Mandate Needed
Dear Editor,
To prevent further spread of the coronavirus, we should require everyone to get fully vaccinated, (including a possible third dose) – unless exempted by a sincerely held religious belief or medical condition. We should write to our legislators and executives at all levels of government.
Alvin Blake
Hate this topic has been so politized so I appreciate the rationale way you layout your concerns. You open with the idea that it should be a discussion with your personal doctor and I strongly agree. I am certain that many anti-vax types don’t speak to the doctors but prefer their own ‘research’ where if you ‘dig deep enough’ you will find some nutter that has doom and gloom news about the vaccine.
When I discussed with my doctor he was clear that at my age and family history of heart disease that it was a no brainer that the risk of getting covid had far more risks long term than the vaccine did. He noted that the covid vaccine are the most studied in the history of medicine…it is not new technology to use mRNA as it has been used for the last decade in several other vaccines. He noted that the mechanics of mRNA vaccines means the vaccine does not stay in your system more than a few weeks at most and the proteins it uses trigger the immune response has no known history of long-term effects. The only real risk is for statistical outliers for those folks with preexisting conditions that were not included in the studies…for example specific types of cancer. But now at this point, the tracing of vaccine performance in over 3 billion shots given, the scenarios left as statistical outliers is now very very very small.
Not many real excuses other than….you don’t trust science.
You question about tranmission is fair. Because of the delta variant, the vaccinated can very well get and transmit the virus. No vaccine is perfect. The results indicate that your systems if you have the vaccine are far less than if you don’t. Your chance of hospitalization and or death is far greater if unvaccinated as approx 90% of hospitalization are unvaccinated. Again, no vaccine is perfect. But risk is very very very low if you get the shot…and much higher (although still low in total scheme of things but not zero) if you don’t.
Talk to your doctor. They KNOW what’s best. Not some guy on the internet.
Chris, no, we don’t trust the “science” that Dr Falsey throws around. We also don’t trust the “science” that says girls can be boys and boys can be girls by thinking or saying it. We don’t trust the “science” that says there are 58 or more genders and that men can get pregnant and give birth. And we certainly don’t trust anything coming from the swamp, AKA District of Corruption.
Classic deflection to change to topic one even more controversial because you can’t refute the statements I made. I have no idea about the science behind gender identity and stay away from the topic personally. I do defend Fauci and his policies on covid given the weight of the role and amount of uncertainty during the early months of the outbreak. I don’t defend his handling of the origin question but that is another topic.
Best wishes
NO, to Covid passports. Yet another measure of control.
Susan, the reason that the available, safe, and effective treatments for Covid were dismissed is because the Pfizer/Moderna jabs could not secure EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) if there were existing alternative treatments available. So Ivermectin for example, which has been used to great effect in India, had to be trashed – or Big Pharma wouldn’t make Billions and the Globalists wouldn’t get everyone jabbed with an unproven chemical cocktail that alters your DNA.
So….
Just Say No – to The Clot Shot.
Your tinfoil hat is slipping a bit…where in there world did you make up this conspiracy. Any drug firm would be super rich if they had BOTH the vaccine and the pill for treatment. Ivermectin has been tested in a well run control study and shows no impact…but you know this. It’s just that you can’t keep your tinfoil hat straight. What study are you referencing for the India comment? Or did you ‘hear’ on youtube?
“Pfizer’s experimental oral drug to treat Covid-19 at the first sign of illness could be available by the end of the year, CEO Albert Bourla told CNBC on Tuesday.” (April 12, 20210)
“Merck seeks authorization for what would be first pill to treat COVID-19, and AstraZeneca reports positive results for antibody treatment” (Oct. 12, 2021)
I readjusted my foil hat as I looked this up for you, Chris. 🙂
That drug, unlike your horse dewormer, has had peer reviewed control studies that showed it worked. Versus some guy on the internet saying it works because he heard about a guy whose sister’s yoga instructors grandma tried it and didn’t die from covid.
Like the vaccines, it has not been tested across a wide enough population to fully understand how it would react for those with special conditions but sufficient enough for those that can accept the risk.
So yeah. Put that tinfoil hat back on and you will be ok. Might also want to think about increasing your sources of news and information away from Fox, OAN, etc…
“Have there been other mRNA vaccines?
These are the first messenger RNA vaccines to be produced and tested in large-scale phase III human trials.” Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center
Phase I and Phase II trials have been done with other viruses, but “were somewhat modest, leading to more cautious expectations about the translation of preclinical success to the clinic.” MedPage Today.
“Tinfoil hats” eh? Your civility didn’t last long. You’re right back to insults and personal denigration.
How disappointing, but then, you be you.
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* The drug firms ARE super rich.
* Uttar Pradesh and Delhi are displaying hardly any new Covid cases and have relied on early treatment using Ivermectin. Kerala (and to a lesser degree Tamil Nadu ) has 3% of India’s population, but 25% of India’s Covid deaths, having eschewed Ivermectin and used the mRNA vaccines instead (Times of India 2021/7/29). The corporate media are trying their best to discredit all this, but the facts are out there and indisputable. They’re just not on CBS or the BBC. You have to look a little further.
Of course I am. I are happily spreading BS politized anti-public health misinformation. Show me the control study…you are using antidotal observation to promote a solution that recent well run, controlled, peer reviewed studies says doesn’t work. So yes, I will make fun of you.
Sure drug companies are motivated by money. They can’t be trusted to operate independently (just look at the opioid scam they pulled). What you have to trust is science. The studies are peer reviewed and backed by data. In the case of your Horse Dewormer, the studies where NOT run by competing drug companies by Federally funded research grants to Universities.
Ha! show me the controlled study that shows the magic needle does work. Even the CDC had to come out and say it doesn’t prevent the spread of covid. That’s why everyone’s back in masks and the propaganda experts are saying the the protected need to be protected from the unprotected. sheep.
Oh, you’re funny! You think YOU are making fun of ME? You are the laughing stock of these columns, and I humiliated you so badly just last week that you were forced to issue a public apology to me. Right?
You’re pathetic.
And your touching faith in “studies” is puerile. We don’t need a study to realise that 2 + 2 = 4.
But if you like studies, here’s one that backfired on the PC pro-vaxx crowd: the Cleveland Clinic conducted a study of 52,238 of their employees. 1,359 had previously contracted Covid and were unvaxxed – and NOT ONE OF THEM subsequently were infected during the 5 month study. That’s because they have acquired natural immunity, which is more effective, more long lasting, and safer that Big Pharma’s Clot Shot.
The study reluctantly concluded that people who have natural immunity “…are unlikely to benefit from Covid-19 vaccination”.
So why are the Deep State & the Democrats hysterically forcing needles in everyone’s body?
Studies show the Pfizer vaccine is holding at 88% effective (no ever said it was perfect). If you had covid already the effectiveness of your natural immune response can very greatly depending on a number of factors such as variant type, severity of infection, etc… So yes, they do recommend those that have been infected also receive the vaccines.
Oregon Health and Science University’s research has found vaccination led to increased levels of neutralizing antibodies against variant forms of the coronavirus in people who had been previously infected.
Of course if you haven’t been infected by covid, both the short term and long-term risks are significantly less with the vaccine. So, don’t be a nutter. Get vaccinated today if you haven’t already.
I guess your apology to Austin Morris doesn’t apply to the others you so flippantly insult. You might be a bit more persuasive if you would stick to the facts. Or maybe the facts don’t support your opinions and that’s why you engage in the insults.
It’s like arguing with a ten year old, Wayne. He can be forced into an apology by the weight of facts, but the next day he’s right back at it, hurling insults and smears, while boring us all with his tiresome tirades.
He should get a job.
If you read back of the history of our comments, you attack me far more than you provide any real information or insight. Typical right wing hypocrisy for the kettle to call the pot black. Lol, but you be you Austin. I enjoy pointing out the flaws in your statements and calling you silly names. Makes more morning coffee go down with a smile.
Oh, that’s rich coming from a bigot who just called me a racist – and then had to apologize for his unwarranted smear.
Who is the mud slinger here?
If you spread misinformation be cause you don’t like the politics of a group of people…yup. I will make fun you and call you silly names. It is kinda the republican jam to label to people with scary or ugly names they disagree with so I assumed was how you all rolled. If it triggers your sensitive side, I can ease up a bit.
Chris, for an insult to hit home it must have some truth in it.
That is why yours never sting, never gain traction. They are silly and spiteful, and they say more about you than the intended target.
In addition, you need not worry about me being sensitive. I have been a door-to-door salesman since 1986, and my skin is as thick as… a rhinoceros. I might add that I have been extraordinarily successful. You couldn’t do my job for a week. It would crush you.
And it’s not the Right that calls people scary or ugly names, is it? We all know that the Left and their co-conspiritors in the cancel culture and the mass media are the culprits when it comes to demonizing and stigmatizing those with whom they disagree. You people are the fascists.
We believe in free speech (nod to the Rhino Times).
What a shame society has surrendered to politics and profit.
THE GREATER GOOD was once the single motivator for so many Physicians and yes, even Politicians.
Now we’ve succumbed to dollars and dogmas at the expense of our once wonderful country.
Hey Alvin,
You should seriously consider changing your first name to either Adolf, Vladimir, or Mao.
Mr. Blake,
A COVID vaccine mandate, vaccination passports and similar edicts from any government or employer requires that you give up your freedom and your ability to make your own medical decisions anytime they want to force you to do that. What if ‘the government’ said that you MUST get shot containing a toxin because they said the scientists said so. Would you want to force your spouse, children and grandchildren to get this toxic shot? Shouldn’t you have the freedom to decide for your self and your family what is put in your own body?
Dr. Fauchi and other ‘experts’ have been changing their guidance for the last 2 years. Even Nancy Pelosi said that people should come to Chinatown and enjoy the community. First Fauchi said no masks were needed. Then it was well masks might help. Then it was two masks. These ‘experts’ said if you get fully vaccinated, you would not need to wear a mask because you could not contract Covid after getting the shots. Now more than 50,000 people have died AFTER being full vaccinated. What happened? Now the experts are saying that two shots may not be enough…you might need a booster AND you should continue to wear a mask because YOU could be spreading the virus. I understand that the longer we are in this pandemic, the more scientists learn. But it is difficult to believe anything they say because every time they open their mouth, they change the ‘facts’.
Are you prepared to get a 3rd, 4th or 5th shot if the ‘experts’ say it is needed? Also, why is Joe Biden not requiring all the illegal aliens at the southern border get 2 shots before being released into the country? American citizens are required to get shots and fired if they do not while illegal aliens just break our laws, walk across our boarder and are then shipped all over the US, at taxpayer expense. Where is the logic?
Joe Biden says people who do not get the shots are not real Americans and are causing the spread of Covid and the Delta variant. What a crock and an insult to American citizens. If getting the shots is such a good idea, you don’t engender support by demonizing American citizens that don’t get the shots. Before the election, Joe Biden and Ms. Harris said they would not take the shots if Trump created them. Not exactly a good PR move if once elected, you try and encourage everyone else to take the shots.
Joe Biden said he would whip Covid. So far it looks as though Covid is whipping Joe Biden.
Oh great another nutter that has little to no understanding of how the science of covid progressed and required leaders (such as Fauci who is an expert) to continuously revise their stance and positions.
The topic of his guidance on masks is old and tired. He is not a believer in cloth masks and didn’t want a run on the few medical masks on the market that would have created a shortage like the pubic did with toilet paper. They also changed the position on the important of surface cleaning. Early into the pandemic the there were a great deal of unknowns so leaders such as Fauci had to use their experienced judgement. He was clear on the uncertainties early on but nutters prefer to use selective views of his words to falsely call him a liar for political purposes.
Please don’t bring up the origin story and how poorly Fauci handled. That is an area where I see him performing poorly for sure.
Poor old Joe. He never understood that the real fight against Covid was political. The repubtards have politicized public health to the point that nutters refuse the vaccine. His mandates more than likely reduced the number of people receiving the vaccine. But old Joe really isn’t a very good leader these days that is for sure.
..”nutters refuse the vaccine”. Really?
So am I forcing you to submit to having a chemical substance injected into your body, or are you forcing me ?
Which one of us is the totalitarian?
Did you really say it isn’t the right that calls people ugly names. Have you ever heard Trump speak? You truly live in a fantasy world of your own making.
So says the hypocrite who calls us all “nutters”.
And “racist”.
Ken, you’re absolutely right. Your instincts are spot on.
I believe that they are trying to implement a universal vaccine mandate for a sinister purpose. The Clot Shot clearly doesn’t work in preventing the contraction or transmission of the virus, so what’s going on here?
This is the answer:
If they can establish a legal precedent for forcing people to be injected with a foreign substance against their will, then they will have a legally legitimate pretext for forcing people to be injected with a microchip, as predicted in the Book of Revelations. The Left is intrinsically evil, notwithstanding all their blather about compassion. By definition, Satan lies.
Coercive injections are necessary so he can then forcibly inject the chip into your hand. That’s next.
I always find that overly passionate accusers such as yourself are often reflecting themselves in their accusations. You have 4 lies in your statement… Vaccines don’t cause clots except in 5 out of 3 billion shots given… There is no formal push for a universal vaccine mandate. That is just right wing fear mongering. There is no micochip for tracking. Your cell phone does that already. And lastly, democrates are not evil. They just disagree with you.
So, does that make you Satan? or just a fear mongering old man who has a heart full of hate and fear?
I’m not old.
And I don’t hate.
You do.
If I’m old, so are you Mr Rice. The 50’s are surely middle age… right?
Lay off the Fox & the OAN, Susan.
Also, mRNA vaccines are not remotely new.
They’re not new – but they’ve never before been used on humans.
You’re all guinea pigs.
See. Misinformation. mRNA has been used on several other vaccines over the last decade. Most notably, the ebola vaccine. It has just never been used on the scale we have seen with covid.
I admit when I am wrong. Can you?
Yes, I admit it when I’m wrong – but I’m not wrong.
“These are the first messenger RNA vaccines to be produced and tested in large scale Phase III human trials”. – Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center.
We shall see, in the coming years, a drastic increase in heart problems, stroke, and auto-immune disease as a result of these poisonous chemical cocktails that are being forced into people. It is a violation of the Nuremberg Code of 1947, and a despicable abrogation of duty and decency by the medical community. Why should we not conclude that hey are money chasing whores? Or weak kneed vassals who submit at the drop of a hat?
FIRST DO NO HARM. Right?
You fail to point out that Phase I trails judge a drugs safety. Phase III trials just test if a drug is better than what is currently available. This is still a valid question in a sense but the reason for using mRNA vaccine was because of the speed that the vaccine was ready for Phase I trails.
So your argument doesn’t really hold water that because it hadn’t been through Phase III (which is because it mostly used for vaccines where traditional methods were not achievable), that the drug isn’t safe.
Just more classic misinformation trick, using some bit of truth to push a false agenda.
Sad. Just sad.
You are indeed sad. I suggest you get a life.
Again I point out the obvious flaw in your misinformation and all you can do is call me names.
But you be you.
Perhaps I should call you a nutter… or a racist.
Mindy I did NOT say mrna vaccines were new that is what you inferred- I said the Covid 19 vaccine was new.
Mindy, are you going to lay off the fake news sources you watch?
Is a world-wide mandatory vaccine requirement in violation of the Nuremberg Code? Read on:
The Nuremberg Code is a set of principles for human experimentation set as a result of the Nuremberg trials at the end of the Second World War.
Although the legal force of the document was not established and it was not incorporated directly into either the American or German law, the Nuremberg Code and the related Declaration of Helsinki are the basis for the Code of Federal Regulations Title 45 Volume 46[1], which are the regulations issued by the United States Department of Health and Human Services governing federally funded research in the United States. In addition, the Nuremberg code has also been incorporated into the law of individual states such as California, and other countries.
The Nuremberg code includes such principles as informed consent and absence of coercion; properly formulated scientific experimentation; and beneficence towards experiment participants.
Several of the Nuremberg Code’s ten points are:
1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonable to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
COVID vaccination not an experiment? The results of the drug trials were based on a small sample of subjects over a brief period of time prior to our government stepping in to give all of the manufacturers total immunity from prosecution should the vaccine turn harmful/deadly. The drug manufacturers are still “tweaking” the effects of the original vaccine with each booster shot released.
Long-term effects from the vaccines are still to be determined as, like it or not, the trial period continues but this time with millions of subjects.
Best wishes to all involved.