The following is a letter to the editor from Rhino Times reader Austin Morris.
Are there differences between the sexes, or are they just the same? If there are differences, are these differences physical, or mental, or both? If you openly acknowledge such differences, does that make you a sexist?
Are there differences between the races, or are they just the same? If there are differences, are these differences physical, or mental, or both? If you openly acknowledge such differences, does that make you a racist?
– Austin Morris
The new DNC leaders said the reason I voted against Harris for president was because of misogyny and racism.
Just Google: – “Average IQ by Country”
Glad to see you wanting to learn more about what it means to be racist.
Key to understanding differences in people is that it comes more from social, economic and cultural difference. Not genetic. If you think a stereotype is same for all black people and treat all black people as if those stereotypes apply to them, then that is racism. If you think people from a single country / culture are the same and treat all people form that country the same, then that is racism.
The history of racism is the foundational belief people of different cultures (defined by skin color) were lessor people with lower traits for learning, leaderships, morals, etc…. This is of course no foundation in fact.
Key to DEI is learning to understand differences in culture, social and economic backgrounds and attempt to really understand not only what is different, but why they are different. I hope you mother taught you that different is perfectly ok and that we are all God’s children.
For example, saying “people from Mexico seem to be less concerned about being on time.” is a cultural difference. Not racial. And it helps to understand Mexican culture and its lower concern for timeliness. BUT, if you say, “all people from Mexico that cross the border are criminals and have no morals” that is racism as it can’t be tied to culture.
Good for you for trying to grow as a person. Maybe one day you can be woke.
Chris there is a story on CNN today about people robbing railway cars of merchandise, you should read it. Interesting story about all the Mexican illegals who are arrested doing the crimes, one arrested this week was actually working on his asylum case so yes I’ll say this is a good time to use a broad brush. They committed a crime by illegally crossing the border and they are continuing to commit crimes
Sure. All kinds of people commit crimes. You want samples of American committing crimes? not sure your point. If it makes you feel better I can even send you examples of White Men committing crimes.
No Chris please read their dog article and then comment. These criminals are in the country Illegally as was the one who was doing his asylum case but you are big on the border crossers asking for asylum. Apparently some (or most) are committing crimes That’s the brush I’m using. Illegals and Crimes Chris they go hand in hand. If you read their dog article article You will also find that the ones committing the same crimes in the rail yards are majority black criminals according to arrest records maybe you can tie that cord to your observation about the high population of blacks in prison
I am not big ones asylum seekers staying in US under long legal process. I was excited the immigration bill Republicans canceled would have made it more an administrat9ve process that took 6 days versus the current process of years. Thank Trump for that insanity still being law.
Austin,
I will ask a question to to give my answer to your second question.
Since there is only one race, commonly referred to by 99.999% of people as the HUMAN race, how can you be considered racist unless you hate everybody?
As to your first question, I am a proud and healthy sexist who holds women on high.
Austi. I’m guilty by association
Austin, they don’t get it.
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This is what the Letter’s saying : It’s perfectly possible to accept the differences between the races without being a bigot. We accept the differences between the sexes, but that doesn’t make us sexists. And so we can accept the differences between the races without being racists.
For example, it is extremely unlikely that the World’s different races have evolved to the exact same level of intelligence. Some are going to be smarter, others less so. Acknowledging this is just accepting reality, not bigotry.
Leftists have a hard time recognising and accepting reality, as always
There is no basis of fact on your assumption that some races have different levels of intelligence based on genetic makeup. That is very much the racist trope pushed by White Nationalists or KKK to discriminate against people. So no, unless you have any study or basis of fact to support such an assumption, you are indeed promoting the foundational thinking behind racism and/or bigotry.
There may be geo-political issues that impact education levels of people within a specific community. But there is no evidence that there is a genetic distinction of intelligence from one race over another.
I am disappointed you believe this type of view, especially because I assume you have no basis for this belief other than your own personal biased experience in how you engage people.
Be Better
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“Be Better”…? Oh my God, could you be more condescending? You’re a dreadfully smug little prick, aren’t you?
And there are mountains of evidence attesting to the different intellectual abilities of the races. You just won’t accept them.
Share you sources….from your mountain…or is your mountain just your pile of personal biases?
(FYI, I don’t accept white nationalists as a valid source)
Tons of stuff, but just GOOGLE “IQ by race chart” for openers.
You are really in denial, big time.
Austin sorry I’m slow to respond but you are 100% correct. I won’t use my examples of experience here. doesn’t really matter but I’ll say that any somewhat intelligent person could understand your letter Thank you sir.
So you believe African races are less smart (and therefore inferior) than white races? That seems to be Austin position. Which is the definition of racist.
Except it’s true. Do some research.
You are literally arguing for the foundation of racism. Why?
Share your research. I did look up the topic and evidence is clear that you are wrong, and studies used to justify racism in the past were wrong.
Hey Aussie. I too have personal examples which I have thus far not shared. But it is just a fact that every time any member of my family has been the victim of crime, the perpetrator has been black, both in the US and the UK.
I know that’s anecdotal, but it’s true.
Austin,
That was very deep and an intellectual surprise. I never tried looking at it like that.
I bow to you sir.
The only part I respectfully disagree you with is your definition of ‘race’, but that is something I wish we had an opportunity to discuss over a drink. Until that should ever happen can we agree to disagree?
So you believe some races are smarter than others? Is that the same as saying some races are inferior to others?
Chris,
You are making it blatantly obvious you are not reading anything I said on the subject, in this case race, and instead are attempting to put words I never said in my mouth.
Also, I don’t see anywhere where anybody made a reference to a particular group of people except you in your attempt to inflame and display (once again) your ignorance and desire to try to look like the high and mighty.
Weak Chris, very weak.
Chris constantly puts words into other people’s mouths
Chrissy’s M.O. is to put words into the mouths of others and then argue against that position, which they never espoused.
It’s a fallacy; it’s called making a Straw Man Argument.
Chriscrap is always fallacious garbage.
Austins words were very clear. He believes of different races have different levels of intelligence. What do think he said? Here is his exact quote that you praised with a bow:
“…it is extremely unlikely that the World’s different races have evolved to the exact same level of intelligence” if you question which race he is stating has lower IQs see his quote from a different thread posted around the same time:
“…The answer to your two questions is found in the DNA of Africans. They are significantly less intelligent than other races”
(this comment thread can be found here: https://www.rhinotimes.com/news/guilford-sheriffs-dept-finds-missing-florida-child-arrests-suspect/ )
You should really pay attention to who you are praising.
But you be you
—– Different races DO HAVE different levels of intelligence, obviously! Are you really saying that all of humanity’s diverse races evolved to have exactly the same level of intelligence? Don’t be ridiculous. What would be the chances of that ? There are obvious and clear differences between the races, and this is the diversity we are constantly exhorted to celebrate. If we were all the same there would be no diversity for us to celebrate.
People have very different levels of intelligence. But, there is zero factual analysis to support your claim that intelligence differs by Race or Ethnicity. I have asked you for sources and you have only shared a vague reference to Wikipedia which stated a very different conclusion then you claimed.
You also haven’t answered my core question: When you say Africans have a lower IQ, in your thinking, does that apply to African Americans? Your answer here will address YOUR core question of determining if YOU are a racist.
No, but the distinction is too fine for your obtuse intellect. Even if you really can make the distinction, you’d pretend not to, so you can display outrage and moral superiority.
It’s kinda your jam,
But you be you.
No.
That’s the whole point of the Letter. It’s a shame you don’t get it.
Of course, PH! It’s only Chris who can’t disagree without being disagreeable.
And thank you for your kind words. I’m no intellectual but I have always been told I’m unusually bright.
I was hoping that readers would answer the two sets of questions, noticing that they were identical save that one dealt with sex and the other with race. Leftists will answer : YES / BOTH/ NO and then YES / BOTH/ YES.
This discrepancy in their final answer exposes their hypocrisy, and if they are intellectually honest will induce cognitive dissonance. This in turn ought to make them re-examine their beliefs, if only with regard to race.
I fear I have failed.
Comparing the difference in genders/sex versus the difference in race is apples and oranges. They are not the same conversation. It’s a false argument used to justify false claims that some races are inferior (or as you state less intelligent) than others.
Be Better.
The letter does NOT imply that “some races are inferior”, nor do I believe that for a moment. Once again you engaging in character assassination by putting words in other people’s mouths. You like to put other people down, so you can feel better about yourself. How pitiful.
I did say that different races have different average levels of intelligence, just as they have different average height, or athleticism.
That’s just reality, buddy. Sorry you can’t handle it.
Have you read his comments making clear what he implied by the letter? His assertion is that some races are by nature less intelligent that others? Is saying one race is less intelligent than another not a way of saying one race is inferior to another?
If you believe saying one race is less intelligent than another does not imply that one race is inferior, then you are fool. Just think how defensive you get over any question of your intelligence. Duh.
Captious Chris has provided us with several non-sequiturs in one comment!
My apologizes for the typo.
Notice that it’s only AFTER our Village Idiot (Chris) has had the Letter explained to him that he displays his faux outrage and indignation. His initial comment was the usual meandering farrago of rubbish, but almost complimentary in tone. That’s because he didn’t understand the piece.
And that, dear reader, exposes the reality that Chris is stupid.
Just another thick Leftie who wants to parade his superiority.
Pathetic individual.
Odious too.
I fully understood the letter. I am not sure the other readers understand the point you are making is that some races (white ones) are naturally more intelligent that other races (black – from Africa).
Are you assuming that black ‘African American’s are also genetically less intelligent? Asking on behalf of other readers here so we fully understand your point of view.
** You are deliberately and repeatedly mis-stating what I say. There is no partisanship in saying the races have different levels of intelligence; in fact Europeans score lower than Northern Orientals and much lower than the most intelligent race, the Jews (average IQ around 113).
I don’t even know what you’re talking about with your white nationalist rubbish. You have a febrile imagination (and a tenuous grasp of reality).
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And for anyone who still has doubts about this, just GOOGLE “intellectual differences between the races”. Even Left leaning GOOGLE and Wikipedia readily confirm the differences.
It’s only blind pedantic Leftists who cannot accept the reality.
Wikipedia gives a good history of how culturally biased IQ testing was used to justify segregation and provides a very different conclusion than you mention:
“There are a number of reasons why the genetic argument for race differences in intelligence has not won many adherents in the scientific community. First, even taken on its own terms, the case made by Jensen and his followers did not hold up to scrutiny. Second, the rise of population genetics undercut the claims for a genetic cause of intelligence. Third, the new understanding of institutional racism offered a better explanation for the existence of differences in IQ scores between the races.”
So again, show your sources.
If this being re-posted, I apologize
The ENTIRE quote you cut apart to suit you…”For example, it is extremely unlikely that the World’s different races have evolved to the exact same level of intelligence. Some are going to be smarter, others less so. Acknowledging this is just accepting reality, not bigotry.”
“…Asians on average score higher than White people, who tend to score higher than Hispanics, who tend to score higher than African Americans.”
Race and intelligence – Wikipedia
From your beloved Google and Wikipedia
It still doesn’t convince me to change my position that there is only the human race, no other. What you appear to be trying to do is twist information to suit your argument.
But as you seem to be so fond of saying ‘you be you’
So you are making up definitions now? While the word race has many uses, in this context:
Race per dictionary: each of the major groupings into which humankind is considered (in various theories or contexts) to be divided on the basis of physical characteristics or shared ancestry.
“people of all races, colors, and creeds”
But more to the point, do you still ‘bow’ to Austin’ given his fighting for the foundational belief that has underlined racism throughout history? Or are you pretending you missed that context to Austin’s letter as verified by his comments?
Or are you now using this Human Race is the only Race argument like those that use the “I don’t see color argument”?
That is a flawed argument as it is actually very important to ‘see’ people’s Race and culture to understand their perspective and differences in way of engaging them with understanding. This of course goes beyond skin color and includes social economic and ethinic differences as well.
Patrick, Chris twists the truth, and what we say. He deliberately distorts our points to make us look hateful or bigoted. He’s a really odious little creep.
Trust me, you are doing a great job of making yourself look hateful and bigoted all by yourself on this one.
Again, I ask: In your claim that Africans are less intelligent that other races (as if Africa wasn’t made of people from many races), does that include African Americans? It’s not a complicated question. Why do you keep ducking it?
You nailed him, Patrick.
As long as the blood type matches, I can receive a heart transplant or blood from any other person on this planet. I really don’t understand why, if God made us this way, anyone would think differently.
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This debate has brought out one thing. Conservatives see the World as it is and draw conclusions. Liberals try to impose their fanciful beliefs on the World. Liberals begin with pre-conceived notions that they desperately want to be true, and so they try to shoe horn reality into those beliefs.
In this case : “Every race on the planet has exactly the same level of intelligence!” There is no basis whatsoever for this absurd assertion. We all know it’s not true. But Leftists will twist and distort and mis-represent reality to preserve their fantasies. And that is what’s going on here.
yet again you repeat this racist trope without a single creditable source to back it up. (I read the wiki and it gave a very different conclusion than you offered). Hmmmmm, maybe it’s because you are just sharing your biased (and bigoted) view of the world. You claimed there were mountains of evidence to support your view? Yet you haven’t shared a single one. Not shocked.
But thank you for removing all doubt about your view of the world. If it makes you feel better, there are a lot of other conservatives that share your ignorance.
* Q.E.D.
Chris is really clutching at straws in his desperation. If a conservative said 2 + 2 = 4, he would demand
“studies”, “sources” and “experts” to back it up.
There are dozens and dozens of studies and books on this (including the relatively recent Bell Curve), but
any reader here can just GOOGLE “IQ by race chart” and see several charts that prove the point. Chris
would dig and dig to find a contrarian result, and it wouldn’t be difficult because more recent studies are
often conducted by… college professors. It would be hard to find a more avowedly left wing group of
people, and so they twist facts and distort reality until it fits in with their preconceptions and prejudices.
Which is the theory I put forward. Q. E. D.
Just admit you are a racist and move on QED.
Funny there are soooooo many sources and he doesn’t provide one except a book The Bell Curve (from 1994 so not that recent) which has been refuted many times over to a point they actually have a book collection of the articles that refute the book. (The Bell Curve Debate)
So still no valid source. Just the bigoted view of a fool fighting hard to defend the fundamental argument justified by racists to discriminate against African Americans.
Be Better.
I must be a strange racist. My Best Man at my wedding, and my best friend to this day has darker skin than almost all African-Americans.
But don’t let the facts get in the way of your character assassination.
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One of us is definitely a very nasty, venomous, and vitriolic little creep. But it’s not me.
It is strange that you would fight so hard to defend the foundational belief of the white nationalist/kkk party, claim that calling one race less intelligent than others isn’t the same as saying that race is inferior, and call yourself not racist or bigoted. But there you are. Sad you fight so hard over such a topic and ignore social economic factors that lead to difference in education, mental health, and family stability.
Let me know what your ‘black friend’ thinks of your calling African’s (and hence African Americans [since you dodged this question so many times]) less intelligent. Tell us how that goes.
This one really isn’t a character assassination as much as you are committing character suicide.
But you be you.
Winning arguments with you is not “fighting hard”.
It’s easy as pie… and great fun.
Ha, ha, ha, ha….
I guess you are right. It was very easy for you to provide an outstanding case that you are indeed a racist.
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But it’s the position of hard Left Democrats that every American is a racist.
Right?
Nope. Not all conservatives are racist. And yup, some democrats (even Black democrats) are racist.
But you saying some races are less intelligent than others…..yup….that is the foundational belief behind racism.
So then if it’s true, racism is valid?
Nope. You worked hard to earn the label. Wear it proudly.
* Chris’s weltanschauung is an Alice in Wonderland where up is down, and Left is right.
It’s an interesting little world he lives in, and one in which reality and facts are prohibited, lest they upset his Pollyanna preconceptions.
But then, he’s just another Leftist, isn’t he..?
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PS
All these charts, all the evidence point to Orientals/Asians having higher intelligence than Europeans/Whites. That is because it’s true, and Jewish people have the highest average intelligence of all races.
This disproves another of Chris’s lies : that I am a bigot who’s parroting white nationalist propaganda because I’m white. I’m only interested in the truth, in objective reality, and – as we all know – some races are smarter than others.
Intelligence is the ability to acquire and retain knowledge, and each of us has individual abilities per topic.
If a person is not interested in a topic, such as botany, that person’s intelligence on that topic is likely to be lower compared to that of a person who finds a topic, such as botany, “fascinating.”
The ability to acquire and retain knowledge on topics does not come down to race alone. Personal interests.
Questions in turn for Austin Miller. There are nuclear physicists of various races. Do you have more intelligence in the field of nuclear physics than a nuclear physicist of a different race (example)? Are you more intelligent than people of other races on every topic? Is there a topic in particular you have in mind re the ability to acquire and retain knowledge?
What meandering drivel. And you could at least get my name right.
Just Google:
– “Average IQ by Country”.